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\r\n Thinking of buying a boat from Washington State and was wondering if anyone has done this before and can help me out? If so what is the best way to insure the boat and how is it to bring used boats across the border, registration, taxes or duty, etc...? Any help or others experience would greatly be appreciated.
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    \r\n Thats a tough one. Try this, get insurance on the trailer first. Shouldn\'t be a problem if the seller sends you the reg number, or just tell the insrance agent that you custom built the trailer yourself. (Done that before).
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    \nAs for the boat, make all of the arrangements and try one of two things........have him send you a bill of sale, then get the boat licensed in Canada, then go down and pick it up...on your way back you can say your coming back from a fishing trip. Or......try and have the guy meet you in Canada and do everything here!
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    \nJust a couple of thoughts, haven\'t done it myself but probably what I am going to do when I get a new boat!\r\n
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    \r\n Come on Trav,,,dangerous advice,extremely easy to get your stuff seized doing that...
    \nBringing a boat and trailer across from U.S. is a piece of cake....A bit of paperwork but nothing that tough...
    \nFor the boat all you need is a bill of sale and title if there is one, The trailer is more paperwork, Bill of Sale,title and inspection done in Canada...
    \nI\'ve brought 3 boats and trailers back,,,just have your ducks in order before you go down to the U.S. and its no problem...
    \nYou can easily get temporary permits to tow in U.S.\r\n
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    \r\n I would follow abbyfireguy\'s advice onthis one ... I brought a boat from Wash. 2 years ago and it was no problem .... all I would add is be prepared to pay our good ol government the taxes they have due on the boat the trailer taxes will be collected when you insure it (after an inspection) ( so have the price of the boat and trailer separate) or you could take your own trailer down empty if just buying a boat .
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    Come on Trav,,,dangerous advice,extremely easy to get your stuff seized doing that...
    \nBringing a boat and trailer across from U.S. is a piece of cake....A bit of paperwork but nothing that tough...
    \nFor the boat all you need is a bill of sale and title if there is one, The trailer is more paperwork, Bill of Sale,title and inspection done in Canada...
    \nI\'ve brought 3 boats and trailers back,,,just have your ducks in order before you go down to the U.S. and its no problem...
    \nYou can easily get temporary permits to tow in U.S.
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    \nYeah I guess that is more of what not to do then eh , probably be the last thing you would want happen to the new ride, impound :-[
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    \nHowever, what would happen if the guy from down south was to come up here and then do the sale in canada? Would there still be duty and taxes? And inspection?\r\n
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    \r\n There are still all the forms that the border people give you that are expected when transferring and registering an out of country vehicle(trailer)...
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    \nHere\'s a handy link to The Registrar of Imported Vehicles:
    \nhttp://www.riv.ca/english/html/how_to_import.html
    \nThese people are quite informative (and they are in the office until 8:00 pm
    \nour time, which makes it easier to get in touch. I reccomend you give them a
    \ncall.
    \n
    \nThe process at the border was quite painless. Took about 45 minutes. Customs
    \nwas helpful and knowledgeable! BUT, that came about because I had done the
    \nresearch ahead of time, phoned them (and RIV) and had ALL the paperwork. I
    \nemphasize this because, while I was there, they did turn around and send
    \nback to the US another guy because he didn\'t have enough paper - bills of
    \nsale and the like. (This was at the Truck Crossing by the Peace Arch.)
    \n
    \nThe process I went through was:
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    \n1. Make the deal and buy the boat, after mechanical check by a mechanic and
    \na sea trial.
    \n
    \n2. I had discussed the potential purchase with my insurance agent and
    \nobtained the necessary forms for insurance coverage on the boat. I completed
    \nthe forms with required info, e.g., the boats HIN - hull identification
    \nnumber, length, etc., and faxed the form to the agent.
    \n
    \n3. Because I was in Tacoma and relatively close to the border, I drove back
    \nto White Rock and obtained a bank draft to pay the vendor. I also purchased
    \nfrom an ICBC agent a "binder" policy on the trailer to provide temporary
    \ninsurance and licensing in BC (about 30.00). You may be able to buy this
    \n\'binder policy\' over the phone from your ICBC agent from wherever you make
    \nthe purchase. Check with an agent.
    \n
    \n4. Returned to Washington and bought a "transit permit" from the State
    \nDepartment of Motor Vehicles to allow me to use the trailer in Washington.
    \nIf you buy in Oregon, my understanding is that you would need to get a
    \n"transit permit" from both Oregon and Washington. I think it was about
    \n24.00. You can find info on their State DMV websites. The only thing they
    \nasked for was my drivers license and the 24.00, didn\'t matter if it was a
    \ntrailer or a car.
    \n
    \nUS Customs requires you to declare when you bring in more than $10,000.00
    \nUS. When I went back down I declared the bank draft to the guy in the booth, but,
    \nbecause it was payable to the vendor and had not been endorsed, he didn\'t
    \nconsider it to be a negotiable instrument. Doesn\'t hurt to declare it and
    \neven if they change their minds and want a paper trail, it\'s only a 5 minute
    \ndeal.
    \n
    \n5. Return to border with boat and trailer:
    \nHave title papers, for boat and trailer. In Washington they have a form for
    \nthe boat license that is an \'official\' document. It has to be signed off by
    \nthe owner.
    \nThe trailer will have it\'s own official title papers, which again has to be
    \nsigned off by the owner.
    \nMake sure you get these and that they are signed off.
    \n
    \nBills of Sale. You will require two.
    \nThe first should cover the boat, motor, and any other gear attached to the
    \nboat (radio, depth sounder, downriggers etc.).
    \nThe second bill of sale is for the trailer only.
    \n
    \nAt the border Customs will charge you the GST and PST on the value of the
    \nboat plus the GST on the value of the trailer. They will also charge you a
    \nfee of $209.00 for the vehicle inspection. Yup, it adds up. The only good
    \nthing I can say is they take Visa or Mastercard.
    \n
    \nAlthough I wasn\'t asked for it, I have heard of people being asked to
    \ndocument the actual payment made for the boat/trailer purchase. This would
    \nbe covered by having a copy of the bank draft or whatever that you issued to
    \nthe seller as well as the bill of sale. Presumably they reserve this in case somebody tries to lowball
    \nthem on the purchase price to reduce the GST/PST (which I admit I thought of
    \ndoing, but decided against even trying believing the importing process would
    \nbe fraught with enough difficulty, and also did not want an insurance hassle
    \nin case something did happen on my way home).
    \n
    \nOnce home the RIV sent me a form - which, when I had not received it after a
    \nweek, I phoned them and they e-mailed it to me. Take this form, plus your
    \nother papers and the trailer, to a Canadian Tire store (they have the
    \nexclusive contract for vehicle inspections) for a 15 minute check over. Make
    \nsure reflectors are all in place, they don\'t care if the lights work as long
    \nas the reflectors are in place. They also check the VIN number on the
    \ntrailer, manufacturer\'s load rating, and tire rating and a couple other
    \nitems. Not a problem to pass. No charge at Cdn Tire, but you already paid
    \nRIV 209.00 for the inspection.
    \n
    \nOnce Canadian Tire gives you a pass and the appropriate paperwork, you can
    \nthen go to an ICBC agent and get licence plates for the trailer. At this
    \ntime you pay the PST on the trailer.
    \n
    \nYou also have to trot off to "Service Canada" (Blanshard Street), who, as of
    \nApril 4th, are taking over boat registration from Canada Customs. Surprise,
    \nno charge for registering the boat. They issue the 14K number.
    \n
    \nIf you buy a boat, 1999 or older and it has a \'factory\' trailer, it may be
    \na Calkins trailer. One of the requirements of importing the trailer is that
    \nyou have a Recall Clearance Letter from the manufacturer. Unfortunately
    \nCalkins went out of business in 1999. What I did was do a Google search for
    \nCalkins Trailers and you should turn up a story from the Spokane Journal of
    \nCommerce (from 1999) about Calkins closing up. I printed this and included
    \nit in my paper package. When I got to Cdn Tire for the inspection they ask
    \nfor the Recall Clearance Letter. I had them call RIV for a recall clearance
    \nletter Waiver form, which they immediately faxed to Cdn Tire. I filled the
    \nform out, attached the news story I had printed out, added that I had done
    \nweb and phone book searches but was unable to contact Calkins. This
    \nsatisfies everybody.
    \n
    \nTry to make sure the Manufacturer\'s decal with load capacity and VIN number
    \nare still attached to the trailer. I\'m not sure what the procedure would be
    \nif they are missing.
    \n
    \nTo keep the paper trail clean, double check to make sure the VIN on the
    \ntrailer and the HIN on the boat are correctly recorded on the owners title
    \npapers and bills of sale.
    \n
    \nI think I hit all the bases, but I would suggest you talk to Canadian
    \nCustoms, Registrar of Imported Vehicles, and insurance agent before setting
    \nout. I found them all to be helpful, and importing boats and trailers into
    \nCanada is not unfamiliar to them.
    \n
    \nFor making payment in the US I would talk to your bank. I couldn\'t come up
    \nwith a simpler - or safer - method than as I described above. If you
    \npurchase the US Funds before you go, then decide not to make the purchase
    \nwhen you try the boat, you are then stuck with a large amount of US money
    \nwhich you may have to sit on or sell back to the bank (at a loss of 4-5%).
    \n
    \nI was dealing with a private seller so as part of the deal he agreed to
    \ndeliver the boat to me in Blaine, which cut down my travel time a lot.
    \nPerhaps you could make a similar arrangement to get it delivered at least
    \npartways. Or, if you are buying from a boat dealer, perhaps they can be more
    \naccomodating (put it all on Visa?)."
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      Default Buying a boat south of the border?

      Thinking of buying a boat from Washington State and was wondering if anyone has done this before and can help me out? If so what is the best way to insure the boat and how is it to bring used boats across the border, registration, taxes or duty, etc...? Any help or others experience would greatly be appreciated.

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