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I have been following, with interest, the various threads on the Thompson River, and one thing has been made clear by some members. They are not happy to see pictures of Steelhead, caught in the Thompson posted on the internet.

However, with that being said,they do want to hear your detailed reports.
They want to hear of your adventures, but they don't want any pictures to "put some proof" to the story, which undoubtably add immeasureably to the story.

Apparently,the great steehead of the Thompson are in danger, yet the river remains open for fishing a good portion of the year. Why? If a river is open you are able to fish it. If fisheries feels the river is in such grave danger, why not close it? If the river is in such danger (a well known fact by many savy anglers in this province)...why do people continue to fish it?

The 10 most endangered rivers in the Province were recently listed, and the Thompson didn't make the list. Neither did the Coquitlam, or the Nic or the Allouette or Kanaka or Norrish or the Serp. The little Salmon river in Langley did,though.
They all made the list for different reasons, including declining fish stocks.
Other threads have dealt with these rivers with a common theme. Quit talking about the small local rivers and for God's sake DON'T post any pictures......why?

So if you write a good story on anything local or otherwise, without pictures, a lot of readers seem to doubt the validity of the story....If you post pictures, you will also get torched, usually by the same people who regularly fish the endangered stream. They just don't want the word to get out. Isn't that why most of the sites exist in the first place?The sites are widely visited by people from all over the world. They want to see success' on the rivers!..Isn't that what drives the guiding business?

Fishers head to their spots for a variety of reasons, and as long as they are not breaking any laws, why the heck shouldn't they? Who is to say what they should do or not do?...There will always be endangered rivers, and some day there may not be any rivers to fish or any fish in the rivers at all.........That is the underlying point of many discussions.........So, why do we have internet fishing sites that we carefully graze thru on a regular basis?

Recently it came to my attention that there is a lot of cross-over in the viewing and many people are members of multiple sites in order to get all the info they can on methods, gear and conditions,etc.That is one of the main purposes of BCFR.

Now, returning to the Thompson River debates on what should or should not be posted, and taking all the other information that has been heatedly debated in the past, I clearly do not understand why stories and pictures should not be displayed on the internet. Perhaps the moderators of this site should have a 24hr. delay on regular postings in order to do a little editing on the pictures to protect the stream, and a little editing on the post so the stream name doesn't appear? Is that what we want? If they feel the content is not acceptable, then don't post it on the board. The rock throwing, verbal accusations and petty arguments that have ruined a lot of good threads continues to worsen.

Perhaps a warning system to these members need to be tightened a little?
What might be a good debate on the talk shows, doesn't seem to fly on this site because of the personalities knowing each other....As long as the member has not "exposed" him or herself, the debates can run an entirely different course.
Once the personalities are exposed the debates appear to degenerate very quickly. With a talk show host, there is a broadcast delay and the moderators job is to keep things on a pre set course and on topic...Perhaps we need a bit more of this on BCFR?.............

with respect to all members............Ortho 8)
 

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I think that got most people POed about the Thompson Report was,

A) How the fish was placed up on the rocks for a PHOTO!
B) The reason I can see the Thompson is still open as this river is one that 99% of the hardcore Steelheaders fish! With that said they have the upmost respect for the fish and the system!!!

I myself dont take photo's of my fish ("HERO SHOT's) that is just me!!! If someone doesnt want to belive my story that I wrote that is true do you really think I would give a RATS @$$ to what they think to when they where not there!!!!!!

I have said before I wish these sites never came to life!!! As back when I started fishing there was no "NET" to sit at home on my @$$ waiting for someone to say where they went what they used and so on!

Back in the day you got to know the river from fishing it!
I guess that is why I got along with so many of the old timers that fish my local flow!

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN ANYTHING TO WHEN PEOPLE DO THE STUFF FOR YOU!!!!!!!!

Just my 2 cents!
 

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I am guilty!
My member picture is in that great river! ??? I hooked that one 10' from my boat. Sorry..... It's my Favorite picture :'(
Can I keep the one of me in the Hotel run with the Chief in the backgound above my Toilet. ??? There are others that use my bathroom ???

This is BC"FishingReports". I have many great pictures. When the day is over, you get home and have that slaying feeling.... whoa whoa that slaying feelin... you got that slayin feelin ....... don't post post post....... whoa whoa whoa

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great post ortho, i am only guesing that your comments where meant to be sarcastic regarding moderaters needing to do more babysitting on the site. i know thats not what you said but thats the way i read it. i feel the moderators do a great job already and probably do it for free, and i feel that if they had to devote all their time into babysittting comments and pictures they may aswell just shut the site down. you shure can tell when the salmon season starts to come to a halt, because there is nothing to bitch about except for guys putting in the time to venture to the T and post some pictures of their outings. i think its nice to see those fish being enjoyed by anglers that have the time to go as i have not been able to go there myself in the last 5 years. and Ortho i think your right if the river was really in that bad of shape it would not be open, and for those that feel it is not right to post pics because it puts to much stress on the fish yet they still fish the T, shame on ya, if you are worried about putting stress on the fish you should not be fishing for them. done properly the fish should not go thru any more stress than it has already encoutered during its hard battle on the rod.
 

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Great post Ortho, and well said STS. :cheers:
 

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If you have a picture, post it if you want, period. I think that some people can be so short sighted about the internet and its supposed negative impact. Posting pictures about a system that is c&r regardless of it size or location is completely fine. If you think that this will convince Joe fisherman to go up to the Thompson and catch a steelhead bring it up onto the rocks and take a picture you are wrong. If anything I would think these threads would scare anyone from mishandling a fish just in case someone was watching regardless of there own morals. Steelhead on the Thompson are not made of glass and though bringing a fish up on to the rocks is not the best idea the fish will live if it is promptly put back into the water. Reading through most of the posts that flame a person for posting a report about a smaller system or the Thompson the impression I get is that you simply would like the river to yourself, which unfortunately is not up to you. Every angler has the same rights to fish any open river. You do not own the river and should not take a personal offence to other people using it.

It really makes me sad to think that some people can contradict themselves and not even realize it. Guides use pictures of the T to promote there services on the internet which I am sure everyone would agree is fine but as soon as an rec angler posts a pic on a forum it is not ok?

Cut the guy some slack…he knew what he was about to get flamed but was probably excited to share his experience with people on this site.
 

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I myself dont take photo's of my fish ("HERO SHOT's) that is just me!!! If someone doesnt want to belive my story that I wrote that is true do you really think I would give a RATS @$$ to what they think to when they where not there!!!!!!
If they are as successful as your "deer hunting" prowess.....no need for stories about fish that don't exist on the end of your line.....well except for that monster sculpin. :happy: :peace:
 

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What seems so unfortunate is the fact the most of us are adults here and should act like it but can't or won't. This is a fishing forum but regardless what the topic is, there is always some sort of bickering.

I find myself avoiding posting any outings I take to avoid the naysayers or potential flames. I am willing to offer up some special tips or answer a question I may know the answer to, but even that I have to evaluate if it's worth possibly getting slammed. The camaraderie here is great, but the bickering I see is out of control at times. Being adults, for the most part we should be able to responsibly police ourselves while having the privilege of using this site.

Being able discuss topics is one thing, but not EVERY topic needs to have a debate or argument. Maybe there needs to be a zero tolerance rule in place. If you make waves, you are gone. The mods are working double time to keep up with all the riff-raff, but why? Seems if you can't contribute in a positive manner, your out. I'm certain that would weed out the problems in short time and get things to the point of a civilized neighborhood.
 

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OK we're off to a good start!.......First off, let's get off the "steelie on the rocks"picture"..That's history and we have all mishandled a fish or two in our lifetime (just didn't make the board)

All the rivers in the province are endangered for a wide range of reasons...They are still open to fish. So why do we get all p o 'ed when someone has a great day on the Coq. or the Nic or Serp? Sure they are "small streams, so what? There are lots of these streams all over the province...If they are in danger, wouldn't it be prudent to rally together to get rid of the pollution and assist in shutting down the system and enhancing the residual stream to return to it's former glory?

We seem to WANT pictures on the site....There have been requests for "trout, salmon and other fish porn". Members have albums on most fish sites and they are obviously VERY popular judging by the number of hits on some of the members pages...I love those shots.

My comments to the mods refers to the heated exchanges on the radio vs. the web. as their is a time delay vs, an instant post....There is also a big difference doing things LIVE, but a delay could sort out a few things, especially if one of the mods saw the pic of the famous fish named above. It might never have been seen.

By the way, I am not "filling in for Rib", just felt I had to raise a few topics for discussion so our community can move on in a positive direction..............Ortho 8)
 

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good stuff.. i gotta say i really enjoyed seeing those steelie pics from the "T" and i hope too see more.. There's nothing wrong with sharing your accomplishments with others who may not ever see a fish like that in their day!
 

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A while back there was a thread about Allouette Lake Lake Trout. The general consensus from what I remember was... 'we'll believe you caught one when we see some pictorial proof'. Guess the Thompson must be different (we'll believe you caught that 20 pound silver bullet so no need for pics). Seems to me there are too many old ladies here protecting their favourite fishing spots.
 

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It will be a sad day when we don't post pictures on where we fish because, people cry about the spots revieled in the pic! Oh wait a min it already has! ::) :wallbash: very sad indeed!

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It will be a sad day when we don't post pictures on where we fish because, people cry about the spots revieled in the pic! Oh wait a min it already has! ::) :wallbash: very sad indeed!

CP

If this ever happens It will be sad indeed,but as you know we are already half way there with the way things are going lately. I believe the mods should try and stay on top of it. I mean if you don't like what this site is all about then why are you even here. It's about fishing reports and sharing great expieriences with others who love it as much as you do. Why would anyone post pics and reports if you know you are going to be bitten for having a good day. This to me should not be tolerated at all. It puts a bad name on all of us...mods,members,and owners!

I believe we are part of one of the best fiashing forums out there,so lets use this expierience to make it even better.


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Here's a perspective for you who are against posting of pictures here on the forum or for that matter any where.
Have you ever thought what do the locals think? I use the Vedder as a prime example back in the 80's there where next to no one except the locals fishing it and it was our little secret of the valley. The popular mags started doing articles on the high quality fishery just a hour from Vancouver. Word spreads and now in twenty years we have the gong show that it is today. Let's look at sturgeon same scenerio, there wasn't a lot of pressure on them through the 80's and 90's. Now look every guide outfit advertises them , BC outdoors just did a story again on them, and the pressure is greater than ever. What's with all the fish that have mouths that look like a pin cushion. What I'm trying to get at is yes posting of pictures on the internet does add pressure to our resources, but by glorifing through advertising does alot more damage by luring people into the sport with the chance of getting the big one. By promoting one fishery while denouncing picture posting of another is that not painting the kettle black.
When people like Thomas post pictures in a semi restricted area they should be taken for what they are shots of a magnificant fish, released to fight asnother day. The fact that the T is a incredibly fragile system and it's stocks do need to be protected, is one side but the other is that most that venture to her shores are well knowledged in handling and releasing them.
The fact that it is a CR fishery, and it is a ways to drive, does keep the flossers down here on the local rivers, and helps keep the pressure to a minimum there.
Posting pictures helps keep guys like me who cant break away to get up there the drool factor of remebering when I could.
Can't we all just get along we survived another summer flossing season we should be all getting stoked for steely season
Cheers,
Sean P
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It's funny that the same anglers posting pics about the T, fall silent when fishing their home rivers.

I see very few posts by HR on the Chekamus during steelhead season.

Same goes for anglers that fish the Alouette, Coquitlam, Serpentine, Nicomekl, Big Silver, Cogburn, Coquihalla etc.....

As I fish these streams on occassion, I think I will put up some fully detailed reports on these streams with good directions and advice.

This will be a nice study in reaction to reports.

According to some these reports will only help these rivers during struggling steelhead years, I'm still trying to figure out how, but we will see later this season.

Better add the little cambell as well,as it has been fishing better the last few seasons as well.

Are Seymour reports OK, cause I am not seeing alot of these either and runs are up there too.

Glad to see we will all be sharing our favorite spots this year, because that is what these sites are about(sarcasm).

Truthfully I believe these sites are about sharing the love of fishing and techniques, advice and camraderie.

In the words of writer and Steelhead fanatic Bill Herzog " where- never, how - always"

Sorry to have offended some, but I still feel a report should not reveal where, especially when wild runs are approaching endangered status.

One of the great joys of fishing is finding a spot for yourself, giving this up for nothing will only take that aspect away from the anglers who come to these sites to high grade "where to go".

I like to think of it as "out of sight, out of mind".

As a guide I know full well what showing anglers spots can do, and perhaps this is why I cringe at T reports.
I am thankful that there is no guiding there, and even more thankful that some Skeena rivers are classified.

I actually enjoy the pics of these steelhead alot, it shows that some fish are showing up during a very depressing return year.
I myself have not fished the river much this season and this was to limit my own personal imprint on this years run. I normally fish there alot and catch many fish, and felt this was not helping this poor return.
This is another reason why I reacted to the reports, as I felt they were ill timed based on this years numbers.
Seeing that nice doe, freezing up on the rocks pushed me over the edge.
Also seeing a angler take 40 minutes to land a fish up there this year had me concerned.It was very clear that the anglers involved were completely out of their element with the strong steelhead of the T. To see a guy hand lining a steelhead in is bothersome.

I must make clear that I am not bitter towards other anglers, their catches or successes.
I am extremely friendly and helpful to anglers both on the water and when they contact me for advice.
I carry boxes of jigs with me while fishing and often give them away and coach anglers on how to fish them to achieve success.
I have taught many anglers how to catch fish and how to carry yourself while fishing and understand fully the need for educating new anglers.

I still feel some discretion is needed when posting pics and reports, thats my opinion and I am certainly entitled to it.

The whole WOLVES thing and other crap that was posted on these threads is complete rubbish.

I have a question.

Why is it fully acceptable to NOT reveal the location of a remote interior lake, yet keeping rivers and spots on them a secret is considered a threat to BCFR.

As these sites thrive on heated debate and controversy, perhaps this whole thing was just a ploy to bring hits :thumbup:.

I heard a few Steelhead are in the small streams on the North side of the Fraser, go get em boys.

 

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Very well said Bent Rod :beerchug: I'd throw a line with ya on the T anyday. This river & its great steelhead sure fires up the passion in steelheaders. We all love her. Please treat her with respect whether posting pics or swinging through her lies. Good luck ;D
 

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Bent Rod said:
I have a question.

Why is it fully acceptable to NOT reveal the location of a remote interior lake, yet keeping rivers and spots on them a secret is considered a threat to BCFR.
People are intitled to reveal what ever they like, its that simple! If they don't want you to know, they wont tell you and if they don't care to HIDE the "SECRET SPOT" well then, im sure you can figure it out! Making comments to belittle someone for posting pictures or reports is not acceptable!
 

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Nothing quite like a guide telling people that he thinks anglers should find spots on their own. ::) Bentrod if you didn't make a living by showing people how and where to hook fish your posts might have some teeth. And it's already been pointed out that you have several Thompson pics on your Guiding website. Strange way of advertising for a guy who feels the way you do. How about for the next couple of weeks when potential clients try to book trips with you, you stop and explain to them the value of finding these beatiful fish on their own. Give us a break. Just relax.
 
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