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Why not? I can't see it hurting anything. They can reach the hatchery unlike the chehalis fish. The vedder can support the pressure. And theres lots of great summer run water on the vedder. Anyone have any thoughts?
 
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Too much competition with the wild winter fish, introducing bad genetics, etc. All the typical negative stuff that comes from introducing a non-native strain of fish to a river system.

And the Chehalis summers can reach the hatchery just fine, thats how they get thier broodstock, the fish just swim on in.
 

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Just a little info to help some anglers. The Chilliwack system does indeed have a small and I mean small wild summer-run steelhead return... These fish return mostly in the end of May and into June to a tributary stream of this system. Which I will not name to prevent poaching... This historical steelhead is smaller in size and is built for the extreme climbing this fish has to do to get to the spawning grounds... This tributary also has a very prolific bulltrout return in the fall too spawn...

As for the brood for the summer-runs on the Chehalis. Yes some will come back to the hatchery not all. I have been contacted on numerous occasions too capture brood for them in late October, November and December. The summer-runs that enter the hatchery throughout the summer and early fall tend to just poke their head in and take off the next day. The hatchery does not like to hold on to brood fish in there tanks for a prolonged period of time. The survival rate of the fish is not very good as the water temperture in the river is much higher than in the fall and winter.

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That is some very interesting stuff to say the least Sage.

I have never heard of this summer run in the Chilliwack system, I would be very surprised if this was correct, all the hatchery workers and bios I know, say that the odd fish found in the sysytem in june, july , august are winter fish that stay in the sysytem. Have you actually witnessed these fish holding in a trib??, do they come in chrome brite like real summer runs??. It would seem to defy conventional wisdom that the Chilliwack would have a a summerun based on the factors that make rivers a candidate for summer runs.

As for the Chehalis, the last few years all the broodstock have simply swam into the hatchery during fall hi water events, which is good because they are held in Abbottsford after capture and do not do well waiting 9 months(if captured in true summer) in captivity to ripen.

The Vedder is a very poor candidate for summer runs based on the fact that the system has a very healthy sort of Wild winter run and not much in the way of canyons for summers to hide out in, although they could bolt sraight for the lake and hang there. I would much rather see the existing summer run rivers returning good fishable numbers and perhaps then use some of these fish to produce a true terminal fishery in a river like the Stave. I am talking a mass stocked event to produce a sport fishery, being grand biters it would be a great way to create new anglers.
 

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I saw a Suummer Steely in the Vedder last year in mid July. My friend was fishing smolts with a 4 maybe 6 inch plastic worm (pink) when he had something hammer it on his trout rod. The thing musta done like 10-15 ariel displays and took like 15 mins before coming into shore (and yes it was a silver bullet). It was not very large (maybe about 6-8 pounds max) but was definately a wild Steelhead. Only one I have ever even seen hooked in the summer months though, so don't get your hopes up. ;)
 

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There were apparently summers in the Vedder, my old boss Gordon Goodey claimed to have caught one of the last ones, back when there was a kill fishery for steel...

Those borden creek socks are eager biters, and I do agree many people do mistake them for other species... Including the guy who was arguing with me that it was a spring back when I was doing creel surveys for the hatchery... What a joker.

I'd always thought the odd fish were wanderers from some of the other systems further upstream... As rod says, the Vedder does not have the winter run / summer run barrier that keeps them seperate (that I am aware of)... That barrier is passable in the summer and fall, but not in the winter when the later run comes in. This keeps genetic mixing from happening.


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It wasn't a sockeye.... I even used the tags on my vest because I couldn't believe it myself. I doubt there are lots but Im sure there are some still lurking around, maybe it was just a really late winter fish but it was really bright so it was only heading upriver, not coming back as a kelt. And we didnt judge it by the jumping or colour... we had it in along the edge to unhook it.
 

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We also saw a Steelhead caught above the train bridge. It was either late Aug or early Sept last year. I didn't believe the guy when he said it was a Steelhead so I went over and had a closer look.
Yup Steelhead or large bow that came down from the lake (around 5lbs). It was not a Sockeye or Coho.
 

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ive heard there are a few 'strays' from other rivers that come in but i dont think there is a wild run of summers on the vedder/chilliwack system. there used to be quite a large number of resident rainbow trout in the river but havent seen as many since the high water that one year... they used to get pretty big too 4-5lbs.
 

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It wasn't a sockeye.... I even used the tags on my vest because I couldn't believe it myself. I doubt there are lots but Im sure there are some still lurking around, maybe it was just a really late winter fish but it was really bright so it was only heading upriver, not coming back as a kelt. And we didnt judge it by the jumping or colour... we had it in along the edge to unhook it.
Judggeing by the way it fought and how bullet chrome the Vedder sockeye are I would have to say it sounds like a Sockeye
 

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Man.... Im pretty sure I know what a sockeye looks like, and Im pretty sure I know what a Steelhead looks like too. It wasn't a sockeye but w/e... I think it would be cool to have a bigger summer run but I agree that it might not be good for the system, just look at what happened with the White Springs :-\
 

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What happened with the white Springs??

I think the whites are great, they provide huge food supply for young fish and insects and in no way interfere with other salmon spawning. Not too mention they are great sport fish that bite well and fight well.
 
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