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The retailer at the Esso in False Creek is shall we say...less than honest.

Last night went to grab a splash of gas. Price was $1.17 PLUS GST/litre. That works out to be better than $1.24/litre.

That's highway robbery!

Promptly put the boat on the trailer, ran up the road to the Petro Canada and bought 110 litres of regular. Price of $.965/litre. Could have bought Mid-grade at $1.065/litre.

TOTAL BS!!!

Promptly called around to all the other marine stations and they're all substantially less than the Esso station.

BOYCOTT FALSE CREEK ESSO!!!! He won't even post his prices!!!!!

The retailer is trying to put his daughters through university and fund his retirement out of your pocket.

Mosquito Creek and Burrard Inlet stations are all FAR less than he is.
 

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piperfeltcher said:
It is mid-grade at False Creek Esso but definatly overpriced.
Well..mid grade or not...doesn't make a bit of difference if your boat runs well enough on regular and is tuned for regular.

That's besides the point. If you buy 100 litres, that's and an extra $20 in your pocket if you buy elsewhere. If you have a Grady or Boston Whaler where you're buying 1000-1400 litres a shot, that's a little more than pocket change in savings.

It's worth the $$$ if you have a big offshore tank to run to Burrard Inlet.
 

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South Texas Salt said:
Calling a retailer, "less than honest" for pricing his product what ever it is the way he wants to price it is off the chart. You do not want it do not buy it. Salt.
Actually there's a thread I started on Sportfishing BC in the "Saltwater Forum" which has caused quite a stir. True, he can charge whatever he wants, but if he doesn't post the price and thinks that he shouldn't be criticized for having substantially higher prices than competitor's, that's HIS problem and he brought it on himself. It is dishonest to not post your prices in this day and age, and it's also dishonest to charge people at a higher rate and then try to "pull the wool" over the consumer's eyes when it comes to pricing.

Check out that post over there. Don't like my ideas? Then go ahead, buy from False Creek Esso. Others, including me, will spend our thousands in boat fuel elsewhere and save a lot of money in doing so, which we already are.
 

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I do have to agree as his pumps are old and unfortunately as a consumer a few weeks back I didn't ask him the price and was somewhat surprised by the price.

I will agree he can charge what he wants but without pumps that go above $1.00 I think for the benefit of his business it may be a bit more of a "reputable practice" to post the price. Unfortunately with gas, you can't get up to the checkout and decide you don't want something if the price is not what you expected.

As I stated earlier we have been buying gas in Coal Harbour.

It is one thing if you are filling a small can with 20 litres of gas, but when you are doing a 1000 litre fill up, you are looking at a difference of ~$200.00 on a full tank. That can be put toward gear, food, beer, insurance etc etc.

The older gentleman (I say that relative to me ;) ) who I believed owned it has been nowhere to be seen by me in the last year or so. It seems that he has mostly younger people working there. I really did enjoy dealing with him as he was always good for some fun and a good chat.

FM....I will say I do appreciate you bringing this to light as you may get flamed by some, as a fellow person out on the water it is good to know. I have just notified a friend of mine whose 58' foot boat sits at the Gov't fish docks is headed up north next week for 2 weeks and would have likely filled up there.
 

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rln said:
looks like your thread on the other site got nuked.
I can see why. It was dogpile on Fishin_Magician over there. People swearing, cursing, engaging in personal attacks, etc etc etc.
Then to make matters worse, a whole bunch of people get on there making representations that aren't factually true, and then friends, family, and employers of the retailer getting on there and trying to defend their business practices.

Basically, what it came down to was people swearing at me, saying that I had no right to challenge the retailer,his pricing and his practices in a public forum.

To just about every question I had, there was never an honest answer.

I'm glad I managed to save the thread so I can forward it off to Esso.

Actually glad the thread got deleted, it was no longer productive.
 

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Magician,
I agree, get gas as cheep as possible. But you ever been a gas jockey?
I was and the control I had over the pump price was nill. Each day I had some one bitch to me about the price of petrolim and think I had some control. I had none... as does that Esso, even if your treatment there make you think its personal.
I had some ass conected to satlite telling me the price seconds after a world conflict. It was only up to me to post or not post the price.
Yah, and for that go sue whom you want to cause if gov. cann't get gaudged price out of gas who can. And all our prices are gaudged. If the government can/or won't sue companies for colusion in the gas industery, you thing your bocot will sell?
Do you spite every station without pump that show more than a buck for as the price everyware you go? Cause I know of many station that do not have pump that are that new.
Go to the pumps at Coal Harbour all you want. But for me the savings is not worth it.
And I did not get angery at the girl who pumped my gas cause she was rude to me or the gas was too much. I can afford that cause I fish for fun.
Oh, for everyone not aware of that illusion, fishingmagitian tore a strip out of the owners daughter about the price of gas - when he forgot he'd have to pay for it when the boat was bought - for saying 'the gas was priced as it was to pay for her tuttion for university'. When after being frustrated with a customer she said, "You think I'd be working here if my dad controled the price of gas?"
All I can say is that what I heard from some stonners on a dock. I don't care the two bucks it would save me to pack my own gas to the dock is not worth it.
Buy a sail boat you wouldn't have to worry about gas so much.
Have fun, Jason
P.S. Esso won't care you don't buy enough gas... just saying from a gas jockey who had thearts like that everyday. Your fish is way to small... worried about gas prices, Hahahahaha, says Esso, Cheveron, Petor Can and the rest... your nothing at best.
 

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This without a doubt the biggest crock of sh*t ever posted on this or the Sportfishing BC forum bar none and believe me I've been around in cyberspace long enough to know.

F_M has lied consistently about the situation he encountered on the gas barge and about what he saw/was told, he continues to lie here on this thread. :naughty:

This whole mess should be deep sixed.

BTW-I was on the False Creek gas barge twice yesterday (long story small gas tank) service was excellent staff was friendly and helpful, it was also busy as all get out. :thumbup:
 

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fm i hear the gas price in alberta is good so take a short trip and get it there or go to the states. when did a gas pump jockey have control of gas prices. next thing you will be screaming at the nurses because the surgeons are not operating. do not shoot the messenger as they are propably getting minimum wage. look at the good side you got served by a girl and not a gorilla.

enough said and think this thread should now go to the sin bin administrators
 

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SIN BIN!!! :happy: What for, I dont think anything out of control has occured in this thread. It's a simple case of someone trying to help out his fellow consumers so their not paying more than they should be. I dont see what the big deal is with this...

Where are all you guys getting the info of FM's story having anything to do with a gas jockey?!?!? His posts have nothing to do with a gas jockey.

Yes it's his choice to go pay for gas elsewhere, and he was merely making a suggestion, you can do the same. Ease up everyone.

:cheers:
 

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Dogbreath said:
This without a doubt the biggest crock of sh*t ever posted on this or the Sportfishing BC forum bar none and believe me I've been around in cyberspace long enough to know.

F_M has lied consistently about the situation he encountered on the gas barge and about what he saw/was told, he continues to lie here on this thread. :naughty:

This whole mess should be deep sixed.

BTW-I was on the False Creek gas barge twice yesterday (long story small gas tank) service was excellent staff was friendly and helpful, it was also busy as all get out. :thumbup:
Dogbreath, so basically what you're doing is taking the words of that girl (the retailer's daughter who got cheeky and made no bones about not paying for university) on the barge over the words of myself and a witness. You weren't there and you didn't experience the interaction. You buy your gas from False Creek Esso and that's your perogative. I have confronted the retailer himself on more than one occasion yet he and his staff plead innocent.

Dogbreath, I purchase a few thousand dollars of gasoline a summer from Marine stations---and I'll avoid that station on principle and inconvenience myself and my guests if it'll save me several hundred to a few thousand dollars and trust me, people with big boats with big horsepower and big fuel tanks care about the price of fuel and if I draw attention to the fact that people can save some serious money by going to Mosquito Creek and other Burrard Inlet stations and not leaving themselves open to the "last resort...have to buy gas from this False Creek Esso who's prices are out of line", that's entirely fine and legitimate.

Case in point, my buddy just purchased 1081 litres with a savings of 13 cents a litre. He ran his boat (500 hp hanging off the back) to Mosquito Creek and saved $140.00. He then ran back to the Cap and started fishing. Total net savings, well over $120.

Also, if I post the possible motives, behaviors and experiences I have at that barge, that's entirely fine because everything I stated was factual and for you to get on here and call me a liar when you weren't even there is totally crass. :confused:

Call around and you'll see EXACTLY what I'm talking about for the prices of fuel. Do the math, and you'll see what kind of savings I'm talking about. You'll see that I did not slander that station at all.

As for that other thread that got nuked on Sportfishingbc, it culminated in threats against myself not to mention all the other derogatory remarks which lead up to that and from the posts on that thread, it was obvious who was posting those comments.

You go ahead and buy your 'chovies for $8.99 to $9.99/pack and pay a 10-20% premium on gas (depending on the time) from False Creek Esso and I'll continue to take my business elsewhere. :2cents:

You and other individuals are entitled to your opinion and if you want to spend your $$$ there, go ahead, fine by me. However, it's not going to stop me from posting that "there are no signs posting the price of fuel at False Creek Esso and it's best to look before you leap before you purchase there" and that gas is likely cheaper elsewhere and if you're buying in volumes, it's probably worth the run.
 

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Kind of you to allow me freedom of choice as to where I buy my gas, anchovies and beer. ::)

Your pathetic crusade is built on your credibility, having seen your sneering posts all over the net I expect it to go out with a whimper.

As to the service staff on the barge, repeating your lies means you descend further and further into mendacity, it also means your posts are worth the paper they are written on.
 

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Dogbreath said:
Kind of you to allow me freedom of choice as to where I buy my gas, anchovies and beer. ::)

Your pathetic crusade is built on your credibility, having seen your sneering posts all over the net I expect it to go out with a whimper.

As to the service staff on the barge, repeating your lies means you descend further and further into mendacity, it also means your posts are worth the paper they are written on.
Dogbreath, you shouldn't be the one talking, you're not the one spending thousands on boat gas over the year. Let alone spending the $$$ on an expensive boat. I have a problem with paying prices that are out of line. I have several cars which consume big $$$ in gasoline, and I'm not whining. 351 4bbl, 302's, 454's. I've paid my fair share in gasoline too, twin 225 Optimaxes, twin 250 4 strokes, etc etc etdc.

Lies? What lies are you talking about? I've already had my posts validated, other individuals also experienced the safety violations, the higher prices, etc.

Is that all you have to defend your friends at the barge? Just unequivocally calling my experiences and observations lies? Do you really think I have something to prove by getting on here with some kind of groundless and vengeful agenda? I don't have ANYTHING to gain by making up lies on this subject.

It's not my actions which are costing that retailer sales and profits. It's their actions and their behaviours. They're priced above everyone else and they brought this criticism on by their actions and their employees and retailers actions.

So why are you so hell bent on smearing the facts and observations as experienced by myself and others? I've been on that barge and seen other people just livid about the price of fuel...on more than one occasion. I will never set foot on that barge again as a matter of fact as a result of the issue. I'm driving past every Esso both on land and on the water at this point, and every Tim Horton's that exists at an Esso as well, just because the whole situation and actions by the retailer have slighted me so much. Not that it makes a different to Imperial Oil Corporation or False Creek Esso, but at this point, I'm not going to stop telling others how to save a few bucks or anyone who could benefit from my experiences.

Just because you think it's cool that someone go out there and charge above market price that justifies your action to smear me and discredit me? He makes his own market because he's the only game in town in False Creek, and it's being exploited to the max and Esso is on his side.

Dogbreath, I'm going to refrain from falling into the same trap that you and other critics of my posts on this issue have and I'm going to leave any personal attacks out of this.

It's individuals like you that are obviously not interested in saving others money and aiding their enjoyment of the sport. In fact, you seem to believe that people should pay through the nose---you don't want to save anyone money $$$$. That's fine and that's your business. I have no quarrels with you or that.

I want to save people money so they can spend more time enjoying boating and fishing yet you seem to think that opportunism by corporations and businesses and poor business practices are justified.

Case in point..without naming any specific names.... Tackle Shop A and the now former Tackle Shop B would rather tell a customer and future customers to go to the competitor than do the right thing in terms of customer service and sound business practice, even if it means making next to no money every once in a while on a sale. Hence in my visit to that store to see if things have changed, I once again had to take my money elsewhere..substantial coin at that.....and their attitude is simple.. "screw anyone that knows they're getting hosed on some, I want to hose the naive ones". Your attitude is just the same, make the most money possible, do the least, and rip people off because it's easier. Any business that lets a legitimate $500 sale walk right out the door is operating on borrowed time.

You govern yourself accordingly based on what you're happy with--good.

If I draw attention to a situation and choose to pass that on and save others money, that's my business and you shouldn't be critical of that. I'm not critical of you for shopping there am I?

At any rate Dogbreath, I can see that your principles and mine are at odds and I'll govern myself accordingly as I'm sure you will. Unfortunately, I can't say I'll just let this issue pass on by with no hard feelings and sad to say, but I'll have to adjust my other sporting behaviours towards others on this baord as a result and I'll have to withold more information. That's unfortunate. No point to contribute on this board anyways because certain people don't give a fling flang jang no matter how good the intentions or advice is.

I won't be thinking about anyone who was pernicious to me when I barbeque my steaks and salmon and dine out at the Keg with all the money I saved by buying gas elsewhere while knowing that other individuals aren't eating so well as a result of blowing my advice off.

I'll stick to my guns and stick to my principles.
 
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