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My position is that regardless of whether or not it is happening you can't really argue that stopping pollution is a bad thing and will have to happen at some point no matter what the financial cost or we will all suffer some pretty dire consequences.
 

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Considering the consequences of global warming, any position in favour of it would have to be pretty simple minded. I, therefore am opposed to it.
 

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The question is: does man made global warming exists or is it just a cycle that happens every so many 100 years. We have so little history of the earth and temps, etc. (less than 100 years of good data) that my opinion we do NOT know for certain that man has anything to do with the cause of golbal warming.

For me the issue is: stop polution and waste of natural resources. Salt.
 

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Here's a Quote From "The Privileged Planet" by Gonzalez and Richards, 2004:

"Ice cores have revealed that very large climate swings can occur over just a few years - at least they have in the past. Civilized humankind has not experienced such events. The last one, the Younger Dryas, occurred about twelve thousand years ago. Cooling our climate to glacial temperatures over just a few years would severely disrupt global food production and render cities far from the equator uninhabitable. The ice record from central Greenland shows that events like the Younger Dryas were the norm for most of the last 100,000 years, while the time corresponding to human recorded history has been quite exceptional. Extending the record further back in time with the less detailed Antartic ice cores, it appears that the present warm period is the longest-lived one of the past 420,000 years. There's clearly something special about our time."

So for only the last 12,000 years have we been living in an exceptionally warm period, the rest has been mostly Brrrr.

Yes we have been polluting the planet and that should be curtailed, but global warming has less to do with CO2 levels and cow farts and more to do with the variableness of our star (sun) and other uncontrolable cycles.

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South Texas Salt said:
The question is: does man made global warming exists or is it just a cycle that happens every so many 100 years. We have so little history of the earth and temps, etc. (less than 100 years of good data) that my opinion we do NOT know for certain that man has anything to do with the cause of golbal warming.

For me the issue is: stop polution and waste of natural resources. Salt.
Actually, the research to date is almost incontrovertible. Although there is natural climate change, the rate of change that we are experiencing can be directly attributed to human activity. There are a few scientist who are in disagreement, but inquiries into their research find that they are overwhelmingly funded by the energy (mostly petroleum) industries.

Reelangler, you asked why I am opposed to global warming. My response was a bit glib and humorous (i thought), but the reality is that global warming threatens to effect almost all living organisms, most in a negative way. Polar bears are having a hard time migrating as the arctic ice fails to hold up for them. Penguins in Antarctica are having their breeding grounds dissappear and are themselves thus threatened. Lack of stable ice for their colonies is said to be responsible for the drowning this week of aver 4000 swalruses in one instance alone. The massive increase in jellyfish populations in the oceans is attributed to global warming and is a biological marker of degeneration of the ocean environment. The decline in ocean plankton levels (think of the impact of a 50% decrease in grass world-wide for a comparison) threatens all marine life (including our beloved salmon). Warmer winters are directly responsible for the massive increase in pine beetle and the devastation of our provinces pine forests. The melting of the permafrost in the northern tundra is bringing huge amounst of thawing organic mattter into play, the starts to decompose and pour more CO2 into the atmosphere. The unprecedented rapid melting of alpine glaciers in the Rockies, will result in rivers like the North Saskatchewan drying up ad whole populations in the prairies suffering droughts that we normally associate with North Africa. More violent storms, such as hurricane Katrina are going to be more common. Do I need to go on? What's your position on global warming, reelangler?
 

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Here's a Quote From "The Privileged Planet" by Gonzalez and Richards, 2004:

"Ice cores have revealed that very large climate swings can occur over just a few years - at least they have in the past. Civilized humankind has not experienced such events. The last one, the Younger Dryas, occurred about twelve thousand years ago. Cooling our climate to glacial temperatures over just a few years would severely disrupt global food production and render cities far from the equator uninhabitable. The ice record from central Greenland shows that events like the Younger Dryas were the norm for most of the last 100,000 years, while the time corresponding to human recorded history has been quite exceptional. Extending the record further back in time with the less detailed Antartic ice cores, it appears that the present warm period is the longest-lived one of the past 420,000 years. There's clearly something special about our time."

So for only the last 12,000 years have we been living in an exceptionally warm period, the rest has been mostly Brrrr.

Yes we have been polluting the planet and that should be curtailed, but global warming has less to do with CO2 levels and cow farts and more to do with the variableness of our star (sun) and other uncontrolable cycles.

DSD.
Darrell, the Younger Dryas event was an impact event i.e. a meteorite impacted the earth and the ensuing debris thrown into the atmosphere caused a rapid decrease in global temperature. There is little evidence to support rapid global warming as a natural event.
 

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Never mind Omega Man and I Am Ledgend. I think the next big thriller should be Global Warming...!!!

Think of the possabilities with a movie like that. Although somthing as believable as this would probably

be seen as a docudrama and snorefest by the masses......WAKE UP PEOPLE....!!!!!

Marko
 

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Never mind Omega Man and I Am Ledgend. I think the next big thriller should be Global Warming...!!!

Think of the possabilities with a movie like that. Although somthing as believable as this would probably

be seen as a docudrama and snorefest by the masses......WAKE UP PEOPLE....!!!!!

Marko
It was done. They called it "An Inconvenient Truth". Won an Oscar, too. :peace:
 

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I am sickened that our government has not stepped up to the emission standards that many countries have agreed to. We can say goodbye to our salmon stocks in an accelerated amount of time if we don't do our part. Its reality now, not just just an idea.
 

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I am sickened that our government has not stepped up to the emission standards that many countries have agreed to. We can say goodbye to our salmon stocks in an accelerated amount of time if we don't do our part. Its reality now, not just just an idea.
Actually, harpour didn't sign the Kiyoto deal, 10's of thousands of scientist's signed a potition telling him not to.

Now i'm kind of confused if you're against or with global warming?
 

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that Docudrama was pretty good :thumbup: and very informative seen it more than once
That's embarresing that someone could find a movie of a guy that stand there and lies to you over and over again with false information good.

I'm also surprised you watched it twice, I watched half of it and left the room.

Did you hear about the school in england that got sued for playing it, and saying it was true, yeah, it got proven for more than a dosen fals facts. I believe they were sued for over a million.
 

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_GoneFishin_ said:
HOOK said:
that Docudrama was pretty good :thumbup: and very informative seen it more than once
That's embarresing that someone could find a movie of a guy that stand there and lies to you over and over again with false information good.

I'm also surprised you watched it twice, I watched half of it and left the room.

Did you hear about the school in england that got sued for playing it, and saying it was true, yeah, it got proven for more than a dosen fals facts. I believe they were sued for over a million.
Name the "lies". Name the school. C'mon.
 

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A little off topic. But I heard a couple days ago over the radio that because of fish farms we could see no more wild fish in 4 more years. It wasn't a very informative report but I can't see the reality within it, seeing as the only species significantly effected is the pink salmon because of their rapid migration to the ocean at a very young age (correct me if i'm wrong please).

What I believe is that our world is in some sort of a global cycle. Maybe the earth is a little bit closer to the sun than usual, making global temperatures increase. Another thing a friend of mine showed me is an online website explaining how the world temperature has gone up an average of 0.2C in the past thirty years. Correct me if im wrong, but thats 2C in 300 years, which in my opinion does not seem that significant.

Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, here a quote from Wikipedia:

Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth and retained by the Earth's gravity. It contains roughly (by molar content/volume) 78% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, trace amounts of other gases, and a variable amount (average around 1%) of water vapor.
Carbon dioxide amounts up to less than half of one per cent of out atmosphere. I'm pretty sure that plants need carbon dioxide to survive, so why is it that we need to reduce so much of those emissions? I don't know how much carbon dioxide the whole world of plants needs to survive, but 0.038% doesn't seem like all that much.

As so many people have said already, the world and human existance is very young. We do not have sure records of the climate in the past, so this may just be a global cycle. Honestly I have no proof to back this up, but to me it just makes sense. Sure humans add quite a bit of unhealthy emissions into the atmosphere, but I do not believe that it significantly effects global warming.

Sure, reduce the amount of harmful gases in the atmosphere, but do it for the health of the living organisms on the planet and the land we occupy.
 

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professori said:
_GoneFishin_ said:
HOOK said:
that Docudrama was pretty good :thumbup: and very informative seen it more than once
That's embarresing that someone could find a movie of a guy that stand there and lies to you over and over again with false information good.

I'm also surprised you watched it twice, I watched half of it and left the room.

Did you hear about the school in england that got sued for playing it, and saying it was true, yeah, it got proven for more than a dosen fals facts. I believe they were sued for over a million.
Name the "lies". Name the school. C'mon.
Delete.
 

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professori said:
_GoneFishin_ said:
HOOK said:
that Docudrama was pretty good :thumbup: and very informative seen it more than once
That's embarresing that someone could find a movie of a guy that stand there and lies to you over and over again with false information good.

I'm also surprised you watched it twice, I watched half of it and left the room.

Did you hear about the school in england that got sued for playing it, and saying it was true, yeah, it got proven for more than a dosen fals facts. I believe they were sued for over a million.
Name the "lies". Name the school. C'mon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21016312/

There... It wasn't just one school.. also, if you want to find the lies, half the movie is lies, so just watch it.
 

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Professori: Obviously you are a keen fisherman with a love of the sport, thanks for your many comments on our site. Your opinions on global warming, if such is the case, stray from your normal comments based on facts to pure speculation. Comments that only a few scientist mostly from the Oil and Gas, Energy Industry, have different opinions, then your apparent endorsement of Gore's thing, movie, whatever, An Inconvient Truth. FYI, you would search hard to find someone in the lower 48 states who watched this and as you know he lost the last election. My opinion you have strayed over into political opinions and speculation. I would love to fish with you someday but let's leave the politics at home. Texas Salt.
 

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_GoneFishin_ said:
professori said:
_GoneFishin_ said:
HOOK said:
that Docudrama was pretty good :thumbup: and very informative seen it more than once
That's embarresing that someone could find a movie of a guy that stand there and lies to you over and over again with false information good.

I'm also surprised you watched it twice, I watched half of it and left the room.

Did you hear about the school in england that got sued for playing it, and saying it was true, yeah, it got proven for more than a dosen fals facts. I believe they were sued for over a million.
Name the "lies". Name the school. C'mon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21016312/

There... It wasn't just one school.. also, if you want to find the lies, half the movie is lies, so just watch it.
Sorry Gofish, but the fact that some school official is of the opinion that An Inconvenient Truth is inaccurate and political, and has instituted a law suit tells me nothing. You cannot apparently give any answer other than "if you want to find the lies, half the movie is lies". If you can't identify any of the lies, perhaps I cqn point you toward some of the facts as I have stated them. The Royal Society (UK) has some useful web pages devoted to climate change:

main climate change page: http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/landing.asp?id=1278

climate change controversies: http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=6229

Texas Salt. I respect your opinions on fishing and would be more than happy to share time on the water with you. I have to strongly disagree with you tho', this is not about politics, this about science. I am always amazed at a system that would allow a man who got more votes than his opponent to lose an election? Explain that to me one day. I mean no disrespect to either of you gentlemen, but opinions are like rectums, everyone has one. How informed that opinion is, is what gives it weight.
 
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