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Pollutant in our rivers! I JUST want to know what This BLACK is??? STOP IT!

Sent out on Oct 12/07
I write with great concern for the well being of our Fraser Valley streams and creek systems. It started last Tuesday night (Oct. 9) when my wife drove out of the driveway onto Chilliwack River Rd. and smelt a egg odor. On Wednesday Oct. 10 morning I smelt this odor at 6am; I called 911 and reported a possible gas leak to the fire department. I received a call saying that this was agricultural odor. I came home from work at 6 pm and looked over the bank and saw the black sludge. Flowing out of the Prairie Central Road drainage ditch is black water and the smell of methane gas! I then called 911 and reported to the fire department that they have a larger issue then an agricultural odor! I received a call around 8:30 pm from the fire department. They came out to the creek and saw the black water merging into the clear water of the Chilliwack River. They were concerned enough to crawl into the ditch with me and take a sample of the polluted water. The water sample was black to the point that you could not see through the glass! The fireman took the sample to get tested. Today, Thursday Oct. 11, my wife took these photos of the creek pollutants and I called the Illegal Dumping Hot Line to report the possible manure dumping. I also called City Works and reported this concern and was told that they found no issues the previous night, according to the report they received from the fire department. City Works did come to the site today, searched all the sewer lines and apparently found no "issues with there sewer lines". ?????? These pictures show the issue in my opinion! After my mother and my wife called the city hall and reported this 3 times today, finally a man from the city came out to look over the bank. He looked at the pollutants and proceeded to make calls on his cell phone, with a concerned look on his face. He stated, "This doesn't smell like manure!". I hear that there is a 200 psi sewer line that runs down Prairie Central Rd. This polluted drainage ditch is on the same road! Attached are pictures to prove our concerns are valid. Please take this matter seriously, for three days this "pollutant" that we were first told was nothing, though we knew better, has flowed through our streams. It needs immediate attention.
Thank you,
Norman
These are new pictures to update you all on the state of the water way on Oct 13 /07


New update! Oct 13/07

I came home today and took additional pictures that I have attached to this mail. The City of Chilliwack said that "there is no City Sewer leak over the phone". I have had 2 Fireman, 2 City Workers,and 8 locals that all agree that when they come to the creek "this doesn't smell like manure!" The City has suggested that all there sewer lines have been checked thoroughly. I want to STRESS this is a DFO Steam that this BLACK drainage ditch is running into. This water has been running towards the FRASER RIVER for the past 4 days! I have several samples of the water and the sludge!
I must say that I have smelt this odor before when working at a Christian Kids Camp on Gambier Island. I maintained a Rotary Sewage Treatment Plant for 5 years. The raw sewage was treated before it was pumped into the Howe Sound. I did monthly tests and have never seen solid mater in any of my test samples! This amount of solid waste is so UNACCEPTABLE in my opinion.
I'm the 5th generation, my 3rd child will be born in 12 day making them the 6th generation on this farm land.
This is the first time i have ever seen anything like this in my life! I have 10 members of my family that are all on WELL WATER that live within 300 yards of this polluted creek.
The City has admitted that there is a major problem and they will continue to monitor it. But it is not there problem. They have handed the issues to the government DFO.
I really don't care at this point who's issue it is. PLEASE STOP this flow of water from continuing into our Fraser River and my family's DRINKING WATER!!!!!
Might I also add that there is a SALMON HATCHERY one mile up steam on the First Nations Reserve!
I hope these pictures that I attached might shed some light on the issues and get down to an answer! ASAP!! For the creek is not about to stop flowing gallon after gallon into our water ways! Say good bye to all fish as we know it in the Lower Chilliwack River!

Please reply so I know that I have been heard.
Thank you Norman

I HAVE PICS BELOW :wallbash: :wallbash:
 

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I believe if you type in the URL address it will automatically make it a link the we can click on!


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I have no idea what Flyfishbc is since I don't FF and never will-can't log in.

If the pollution is affecting a fish bearing stream phone Fisheries

Habitat Manager
Bruce Reid
Regional Habitat Manager
Oceans, Habitat & Enhancement Branch
Fisheries & Oceans Canada
200 - 401 Burrard St.
Vancouver, BC
V6C 3S4
Phone: (604) 666-0209
Fax: (604) 666-7907
E-mail: [email protected]

Information Coordinator
Joanne Day
Oceans, Habitat & Enhancement Branch
Fisheries & Oceans Canada
200 -401 Burrard St.
Vancouver, BC
V6C 3S4
Phone: (604) 666-6614
E-mail: [email protected]


Give me copies of the pics and I'll phone the bastards [email protected]
 

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I have just emailed you 14 Pics of the pollutant! I just want to get to the bottom of this! Someone out there is hoping it will rain and wash this away ASAP! My family will have the effects of this in our WELL water for generations to come. Not even concidering the effects on the Stream and Wild Life in the area.
Thanks for the HELP. The more people that know the truth the harder it is to cover this up with a rain storm!

Fisherman Unite! lol
 

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Norman

Good job keeping an open eye for these things! Call DFO or the CO's take pictures etc.

Thanks for caring enough not to turn a blind eye good luck and let us know the outcome.
 

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stormin 30, hook and i were traveling down kw road today while out on the flow and we could smell it on the air, we both said "THAT DOESN'T SMELL LIKE MANURE", guess i know what it was now.
hope you have some success turning off the flow but by now some damage is definitely done. :'(
 

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Holy shit this is discusting! What ever the hell this is I hope it isnt a major issue to the environment, or wildlife. This stuff looks really bad from your pictures, and if there is anything I can do to help get this cleaned up PM me, and Ill help out. Hopefully this wont play a big part in killing off a bunch of fish! Please keep us up to date, thanks
 

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Day 6 Still NO ANSWERS!

These are the conclusions that I think we are up against here!

#1: This could be illegal dumping of human waste onto a farmers field that when the big rain came it was washed into the slough.

#2: The 200psi Sewer line that runs down Praire Central Has a leek.
A: We will see a RED dye on Mon Oct. 15 in the slough showing a leak. Leaked for 7 day after first odor detected!
B: The City works has FIXED the line and in NOW running a test that will pass.

#3: There could be a illegal dump that happened of any substance from manure to how knows what???????

I the BEST thing that CAN be done is to put on a pair of neoprenes and walk the creek and find the SOURCE.

Thanks Norm
 

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That is just terrible. Good that you reported it to the authorities, and hopefully they can catch the culprit and fine them accordingly. However, newspapers such as the local rags like the Times and Progress should be notified, as well as major newspapers like the Sun and Province. With additional attention drawn to the matter maybe someone saw something or can provide information that could lead to charges being laid against the people that are responsible for this. The damage has been done and now unfortunately the cleanup has to begin to minimize any further damage. Stuff like this really bugs the hell out of me, and especially since it is the height of salmon season so we don't know how many fish have been affected by all of this. And B.C. Rivers Day was just a couple of weeks ago, and the efforts to clean up the Chilliwack/Vedder River seems to have went in through one ear and out through the other for some folks who seem to think the river is their own personal dumping ground.
Also, on a last note, I would limit my exposure to whatever substances are in the drainage ditch. Until the authorities determine what the materials are, you do not want to expose yourself to any nasty toxins that could have a negative effect on your health or your families. My two cents worth on this matter.
 

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Also, on a last note, I would limit my exposure to whatever substances are in the drainage ditch. Until the authorities determine what the materials are, you do not want to expose yourself to any nasty toxins that could have a negative effect on your health or your families. My two cents worth on this matter.
That's exactly what I was going to post Dfisher ............ STAY AWAY!!! Unless you have training dealing with this type of unknown material DO NOT EXPOSE YOURSELF TO IT. There is some real nasty wastes out there that can be very dangerous!!!


GOFISH 8)
 

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One other thing I would add is that the Minister of Environment, Barry Penner, resides in your riding. You can email his department the details as well as pics, and also call his office to inform him of all the details. Hopefully, after being informed of this, Mr. Penner will make it his number one priority next week to get to the bottom of this to find out what happened, and to insure that the cleanup is done in a quick and proper manner.
 

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Hey stormin 30,
Wow that's all i can say. When I started reading the post my first though was it is just a little effluent from one of the farms in the area. In the 60's and 70's farms were allowed to drain thier septic tanks and parlour waste waters straight into the ditch via a holding/settling tank. That practice has since been banned and farms are required to now prevent any contact with drainage ditches. I do have a question for you, how far up did you locate the black sludge. Did it come from east of Prest, if so I would have a good idea where the possible contamination would be coming from. Secondly that smell could very well be cow manure. with storage regs requiring farms to be able to store manure for longer periods the smell of the manure is now a lot stronger and more sour in scent. This does concern me as the fact I live a country block away from the ditch(McGuire rd.)
I would definately suggest contacting Mr.Penners office directly, he definately seems to give a damn about the local enviro, and secondly go to the progress, funny how media attention draws results.
Hook the manure smell you guys smelt while fishing the vedder probably was just that. Now that the corn has come off the fields, farms are emptying the manure pits before winter. Ahh one of the great smells of Fall in the "wack"
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I have driven up to Banford and found a 12" line coming into the slough with all the grass trimmed back and orange paint on the road marking all the pipelines painted on the road!
 

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I want to walk that slough so bad! But like you have said who knows what it is and I have already had a bleach bath once this week! It just pisses me off that tomorrow is the rain. Washing away the evidence of this disaster!
I just hope someone has tested this and will identify if it is a hazard to my water. I have seen several Blue Herein fishing and fliing out of the river and ditch when I've been in this Sludge.

Update: The water is running with only a little black now. But the Black sludge pile is still under the culvert @ Chilliwack River! I think it would not hurt if all concerned persons would call the ministry of environment on Mon.

Thanks for any help and looking forward to Tues. PAPER!!!
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DAY 7

LETTER THAT I WROTE TO THE CITY OF CHILLIWACK TODAY! :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:



The fact that you have covered your bases with the pressurized line does not make me feel any better!!!!!!!

WHAT was in this sample that you have taken!!! If you have not taken a test sample then come to my house and I will give you one or two!!!! I feel that the City has been trying to cover there bases with this sewer line checks. While this BLACK goo still flows into the DFO water ways. I must be very clear that if this effects my drinking water and my families health I will hold you to your actions. :naughty:

I STILL on day 7 have NEVER been told what this is in the Prairie Central Drainage Ditch!
If you know, then you must tell me so I can PROTECT my family accordingly.

I DEMAND that I be told any information that you have about this substance.

If I have these samples tested and find that it is HUMAN SEWAGE and you have been checking you lines for 7 days! At this point I feel that by keeping my family in the dark is in itself so UNDER HANDED!

I wanted our rivers cleaned up on Wed Oct 10/ 07. When the river looked like Wolf Road Sewage Treatment Plant. :pissed: :pissed:


If this is sewage and it has been dumped into the river then what??? You go to the paper and ask for the help from the community in finding any suspicious pumping in the area!

If this Manure then let me know if this level of manure is ok to be flowing past my house! Will manure effect my drinking water?


I NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS LAST WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!

I have 2 kids under 5 and they both have DIAHREA

ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS! DO I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY WATER??? DO I HAVE TO GET MY WATER CHECKED? DOES MY FAMILY HAVE POLLUTED DRINKING WATER AND IT EFFECTED MY KIDS OR BY CHANCE THEY HAVE A FLU!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused:

I FEEL THAT THIS IS THE LEAST THAT YOU CAN DO IS TO HELP IN FINDING THESE ANSWERS.

Concerned Parent Norman Bedard
 

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Hey Stormin,
I was out snooping around there yesterday an found the black water actually goes up well past banford.
As far as it being a contaminant to your water, no that would be pretty much impossible as to the fact we are on city water and our supply in on the other side of town. I also think they will rules out a breach in the sewer line, if that was the case the waste is generally clear and with visible waste matter in it. In my opinion it looks like someone in the area has had thier pit over flow and being that the ditch levels were low this first big rain has started to move it down stream. I called the report habitat violations line, didn't get far and also left a message at the field office in chwk. Sad to say what if this was a major hazardous contamination that is pretty pathetic response times.
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With all the fuss about global warming and air pollution - should we not get this provincial government to multi task and get clean water up at the top of the list as well

Perhaps we need to write letters to the Govenor of California to get more action locally as he seems to have more pull than we do.
 

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CRAZYDRIFTER

I'm on WELL WATER. I have 10 family members living within 300 yards of this slough. If this is sewage i want to know NOW! :-X :wallbash: :wallbash:

Thanks for all the Help!
 
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