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Apparently wild salmon are dying because of the sea lice becoming more populated around fish farms. Im just wondering people takes on the subject and what you guys think should be done. Woops, i guess this should have gone into Saltwater, if someone wants to move it...
 

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Is it only the pink salmon they are worried about? What about the seals getting into the fish farm nets and letting all those atlantics free? So many topics on the health of our salmon stocks lets talk about them all
 

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I flogged that suject for months (six years ago) in my weekly newspaper column. All it accomplished was getting my column posted in allot of DFO offices, and my name of cource. Nothing has changed; Too Much Foreign Money greasing Too Many palms. Fish farms will fail in the end (read Fat Cats & Dead Fish), I only hope our wild stocks can make it that long.
 

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There were many studies done a number of years ago...one scientist, I cannot remember her name, spearheaded studies on her own, without funding for years...

As far as I can recall, her studies were basically discredited for sometime, despite the fact that through sound scientific research and data collection, she was raising the alarm regarding sea lice infestation of juvenile salmon around river systems that had salmon farms near their estuaries...

Several years after her studies began, the pink salmon stocks crashed hard and numbers dropped at alarming rates...not sure of other stocks...

I believe this specific example occured in the broughton archepelago...but I could be mistaken. I haven't reviewed the papers in some time and don't have them handy at the moment, but once these stock crashes occured I believe she was taken more seriously, and various other interest groups took on the cause as well...

All of this occurred quite some time ago, and was part of what led to the strong movement against salmon farming...some of you might remember the uproar that resulted, including expose's of various dye's being used to color farmed salmon meat to make it more appealing to the eye...

If anyone has more concrete info on the matter it would be good to hear more on the subject, I am just going from memory here...
 

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They made a documentary on that lady, I watched it a couple of weeks ago. She used to live out there studying the whales with her husband until he died. I don't rememer her name but I do remember that she was discredited for two reasons though her scientific proof was sound. One, the fact that she was not "certified" to perform such a study and two, that she collected all of the data illegaly. She watched as the pink runs in the area (i believe along the central coast) dissappeared on the rivers that the salmon had to swim by fish farms....possible the peace river??

She was also a marine animal enthusiast spending a trmendous amount of time studying the orca's that travelled the area. Apperantly the orcas have dissappeared from the area as well for another reason.....possibly high pitch sounds from a ship if I am not mistaken. It was a very interesting watch and showed definite proof of the negative impacts of fish farms along our coast.

Does anyone remember what her name is?
 

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They just did a 5 part series on the broughton on Global News. Very interesting story with a lot of different viewpoints. As for mine... I'd be fine with fish farming it if it did not take place within the confines of our oceans. Seems to me that with all of the money they're making they could be trying to figure out how to farm salmon on land. I know it's all about the dollar but it's high time that capitalism takes a back seat to the well-being of our oceans.
 

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Sorry I did word that kinda funny. It is something that's being looked at, but I just hope that it takes. I believe that the selfish angler in all of us should be hoping for successful fish farms for obvious reasons. The methods that are in place right now though leave much to be desired.
 

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I watched her documetary and legally what she did was wrong, but her theory was right. All the pinks disappeared. The all wonder why even after she brings a smolt to them with like 10 sea lice hanging off it.
 

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After you've read this article, remember who NOT to vote for in the next Provincial election. :wallbash:
Closed-pen farming
Impenetrable barrier needed to keep wild stocks safe and healthy, provincial panel says
Scott Simpson, Vancouver Sun
Published: Thursday, May 17, 2007
British Columbia's salmon farming industry needs profound, fundamental changes that reflect the need to protect native Pacific salmon, says a controversial new report presented to the provincial government on Wednesday.
The legislature's sustainable aquaculture committee says the risk of "serious or irreversible harm" to wild salmon, particularly if they are hit with sea lice infestations in the vicinity of fish farms, makes it urgent for government to force the industry to overhaul its farming practices.
In particular, the report recommends a "rapid, phased transition" away from conventional open-pen sea farming to closed containment pens that provide an impenetrable biological barrier between wild and farmed salmon.

The report was developed over 18 months by an NDP-led committee that calls on B.C., the federal government and the aquaculture industry to finance and conduct a full-scale closed containment project.
The committee also recommends that within five years, all B.C. salmon farms on the Pacific coast switch to closed systems.
That aspect of the report, which would make B.C. the first and only jurisdiction in the world to adopt the technology, prompted all four Liberal members of the committee to vote against the report in a meeting held Wednesday morning.
However, the report was formally approved because all five NDP members of the committee, including chair Robin Austin (NDP-Skeena), voted in favour of it.
Salmon farmers don't like the closed pens because they cost more to operate than passive open net pens, and studies so far have shown that the fish are smaller at maturity.
The committee studied other alternatives, such as land-based salmon farming, but said that method is not practical for commercial-sized operations.
The report says there is "no consensus" in the scientific community about the degree of potential harm that fish farms could cause wild salmon.
But it adds that there is a "preponderance of evidence" that makes it necessary to "act immediately."
"We cannot wait for total consensus," says the report. "We are the guardians and trustees of the environment and therefore cannot place at risk our wild salmon population nor the overall marine environment, both of which are still the envy of the world."
The report also calls on the province to return to local communities the right to approve or reject siting of new fish farms and to repeal sections of the government's right to farm legislation that do not allow local governments to block approval of new farms.
In addition, the report calls for a system of fallowing, or short-term farm closures, in order to eliminate active salmon farming operations from the vicinity of migratory routes for young salmon.
The report says a moratorium on new fish farm licences should continue until the transition to closed-pen systems is complete, and a permanent moratorium on industry expansion should be imposed on the north coast.
It also urges government to abandon the notion that the industry can be self-policing and instead, empower its own investigative staff to "conduct random checks without any notice to any fish farm operators."
There are 130 licensed salmon farms in B.C., 60 to 80 of which are active at any given time, according to the report.
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Here is the link to Alexandra Morton's site. http://www.raincoastresearch.org/home.htm

I met Alexandra a few years ago when I was up at an Orca research center. We were out on a boat and spotted a Gov't fish counting boat, so we headed over there to take a boo. They were hauling up their nets when we arrived. Alexandra asked the skipper how the count was and he looked at her, obviously recognized her, and declined to answer!! She is not liked by a lot of people.

I have read all her books and highly recommend them. They are not just about sea lice but also about the archipalego, orcas etc. http://www.raincoastresearch.org/publications.htm

If you research the fish farms in Norway (most of the fish farms in BC are owned by Norwegian companies) I don't think there is any doubt as to negative impact they have on our wild stock.
 

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young gun said:
I watched her documetary and legally what she did was wrong, but her theory was right. All the pinks disappeared. The all wonder why even after she brings a smolt to them with like 10 sea lice hanging off it.
THEY, being DFO know all about sea lice, they're simply choosing not to listen to her YG. Alexandra Morton's efforts should be commended. She is a truly amazing person who cares as much or more about her environment as anyone on the planet. However her research is not sanctioned by any governing body that pertains to the issue. Hence why you see a documentary. She is trying to gain as much support for her research that she can so her case against fish-farms can grow to a point where somebody is forced to listen. Unfortunately, until that happens, the various levels of government will allow fish farms to continue on as is, because of the huge profit that comes from supplying such a large demand for table-fare. It does seem as though the issue is starting to draw a bit more attention. We'll see.
 

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Is it only the pink salmon they are worried about?
I believe the issue with pinks is that the fry head almost immediately out to sea and are therefore very small. Other salmonids spend a year or so in fresh water before moving to the ssalt and are much better able to survive sea lice infestations.
 

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I watched her documetary and legally what she did was wrong, but her theory was right.
Alexanra Mortons research was unsanctioned, which means that the appropriate federal bodiy (DFO) did not autorize or support her research. I believe there was nothing illegal or wrong in her actions.
 

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You can read the entire article in today's Vancouver Sun...........Ortho 8)
 

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young gun said:
I watched her documetary and legally what she did was wrong, but her theory was right.
Alexanra Mortons research was unsanctioned, which means that the appropriate federal bodiy (DFO) did not autorize or support her research. I believe there was nothing illegal or wrong in her actions.
I believe the "illegal" portion of her work was in the retention of the samples she collected. Because the DFO didn't authorize the work she tchnically was not allowed to retain those smolts that she did. Was she wrong in doing so....not in my books. The world needs more people like her!
 

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Steelie Trav said:
professori said:
young gun said:
I watched her documetary and legally what she did was wrong, but her theory was right.
Alexanra Mortons research was unsanctioned, which means that the appropriate federal bodiy (DFO) did not autorize or support her research. I believe there was nothing illegal or wrong in her actions.
I believe the "illegal" portion of her work was in the retention of the samples she collected. Because the DFO didn't authorize the work she tchnically was not allowed to retain those smolts that she did. Was she wrong in doing so....not in my books. The world needs more people like her!

thats excactly what it was,and damn straight the world needs more people like alex.i believe she has a speaking engagement at ubc
in early june,she will be talking about her studies,and fish farms and the effects they've had on broughton strait,where apparently the orcas won't even enter anymore,sad. fish farms have to go.
 

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young gun said:
I watched her documetary and legally what she did was wrong, but her theory was right. All the pinks disappeared. The all wonder why even after she brings a smolt to them with like 10 sea lice hanging off it.
What exactly did she do wrong legally?????
The government chooses to ignore her scientific research because they are in bed with big business .
Longterm thought for the health of wild fish stocks are not given the respectful attention that government is obligated to provide.
Sad really....
 
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