[IronNoggin]

An experiment is being run on FishBC to attempt to determine if such forums might be able to provide a usefull liasion between management and user groups. I'm running the Survey in question, and am hoping that those of you who fish here in our back yard will take a moment of your time to have a quick boo, and step up to bat for our angling Community. The Survey can be located here: http://fishbcforum.com/index.php?showtopic=42334

With aplogies to the Mods here. It was simply much easier for me to address this issue on the site that I help moderate myself...

Hope to see some input from those who have been enjoying... ;D

Cheers,
Nog

 

[hotrod]

I don't think that lifting the bait ban will be needed! I have had some great days above the bucket using artificial presentations.In fact I would go as far to say that atificials have outfishied bait on some occasions.Of course I mean using bait where I'm allowed.I don't think that it will help the wild population by lifting the ban.As we all know that when the falls are too high the steel won't go through and can hold below the falls,where they can be picked off pretty good by anglers.That can be somewhat hard on the wild population.

Implementing a boat ban is rediculous! Given the hard access to this river!

Hotrod

 

[IronNoggin]

Appreciate the comments HotRod. That is exactly the kind of thing the survey is hoping to capture. Listing that here lets the folks that frequent this site know your stance on these questions, and hopefully some will consider what you have said.
And while there is always room for discussion/debate of such matters on these Forums, the place to get your concerns counted is via the poll (link listed above). I very much hope that you, and the others from here that frequent our home River, strongly consider doing so...

Cheers,
Nog

 

[Birdman]

I don't think lifting the bait ban is really neccessary, as much as I prefer to use bait i think it protects the wild fihs that stack up in the falls area. I do however think that banning jet boats on any part of that river is tottally stupid.

 

[Bent Rod]

I think the bait regs are fine as is and probably help downriver kelts from being caught slightly less than the 20 times they do get caught ;D.
Also in summer when the water is HOT, bait keeps catching summer runs when it's getting unhealthy for them to be played too many times.

As for boats, I truly feel that drifting should be the only method of boat angling on that system. Too many more boats heading pinball to honey water and the experience will certainly suffer. 3-6 fish a day drifting is a fine day and will allow foot anglers a chance at some un stung fish. Good guides will still hit numbers with the tin n sticks and the solitude and experience will remain special.

 

[Birdman]

I think the bait regs are fine as is and probably help downriver kelts from being caught slightly less than the 20 times they do get caught ;D.
Also in summer when the water is HOT, bait keeps catching summer runs when it's getting unhealthy for them to be played too many times.

As for boats, I truly feel that drifting should be the only method of boat angling on that system. Too many more boats heading pinball to honey water and the experience will certainly suffer. 3-6 fish a day drifting is a fine day and will allow foot anglers a chance at some un stung fish. Good guides will still hit numbers with the tin n sticks and the solitude and experience will remain special.

I have to disagree with you on the pinball to the hot spot thing. The guides don't start until 8:00am. And with Matt anyways we tried to stay away from water that shore guys could work. Not sure if this is true for all the guides but that is wah twe did.

 

[kaitlyn]

let's all have a nice drift boat ride through the bucket 8)

 

[Bent Rod]

Murphy ran drift boats for years boys, fishing was good and the river is driftable.
I have had double digit days from shore before the jets took over the river.

Birdman, it's not about the SPOT, it's about X number of fish and jets are getting to them before they take up positions where shore and floating anglers have their crack.
Take your own personal feelings in regards to SLAYIN EM and consider all aspects of the river.
Have you drifted the STAMP, can you compare??.
Jetting makes it easier for the guides, easier for clients and ripping around pinball is exactly what happens.
I know , I've done the trip, in a jet, floated the river and fished it from shore.
Jets are toast on that river, wait and see.

You will still be able to enjoy fishing with guides, they will just have to work a little harder and you will only hit water once, so make those casts count.

 

[hotrod]

I'll have to walk that one! I'm a little gun shy after my spill this year! I grab on the side of the boat at every bump.
I haven't fished the bucket once in the last two years going in the jets as there are so many more rods out there now and it would be rude to think we can just fish that spot with guys on the bank.I won't do it.There is so much more spots that bank guys can;t get to that the jets can! I agree with birdman on this one! And I agree with Ironhead too!On the Stamp everyone gets there fish! It's a great sysytem!



Hotrod

 

[hotrod]

I don't agree with drift boats only!


Hotrod

 

[rln]

it already is drift boats only law for the common angler. There is an unenforced 9.9 power restriction for all users except the guides. The river should be opened for all users of jet boats until a public access drift boat launch is put in by goverment. Right now they are all private and can be closed at anytime. Guides have an unfair advantage over all the other fishermen and banning fishing from boats above the bucket is a fair compromise at this time. Lifting the bait ban from the bucket to the falls would make rge regulations a lot simpler to enforce. What do guys do when starting at the gun club , fishing your way upstream to the bucket , then continuing fishing above the bucket do? Hide their bait in the bushes? It is hard to watch a guy carrying bait above the bucket and make sure he does not use it. You know some will. The river should have either no bait at all, or bait for winter fish from tidewater to the falls.

 

[kaitlyn]

jeezus, there are so many rivers on the island that are way easier to fish from shore than the Stamp. and what happens when the water is up in the trees? Not alot of places to fish then. you just limit the # of guide licences for the river,which limits the boats. What in the world gives the shore guys any more rights than the jets. This system is one of the healthiest around, and you're gonna tell me that it suffers due to the jets? gimme a break. Having fished from both jet, and drift boats a couple of dozen times, I can tell you that I have not found any guides who will go anywhere near the shore guys. I can also tell you that I've seen drift boats slip into water being fished by a guided boat while a fish is being played, more than once. You guys who don't like jets can go fish the Gold, after all, look at how much better the fishing is since they banned jets there. : some local bureaucrat with a hate on for jets, should not be able to screw it up for the guides, or their guests.

 

[hotrod]

Now I totally agree with all that ogobogo has said. Hammer on the nail dude!


Hotrod


PS> I know I sound a little indecisive but for the most part this is where I stand!

 

[kaitlyn]

ok Darmin, here's the deal. If the jets are banned from the river, above the bucket, it means that the shore guys have more rights. If I lived on the Island, you can bet that I would not be worried about the rivers that flow into Georgia Strait, but I would be driving between one hour, and three hours to one of a dozen different flows which head west. There are other rivers on the Island with hatchery fish. While I do kill the occaisional fish on the Stamp, I've killed about five fish in 70, it's a luxury to have hatchery fish to kill. I would much rather catch and release. I can buy fish at the market to eat. Over here, on the mainland, I must drive a couple of hours to have the privilege of fishing elbow to elbow on the Vedder, or one hour to fish the Cheakamus, which I will do more often than not, even though I would never keep a fish on that system. we are all very lucky to fish for Steelhead at all, given the abuse of almost every single watershed in the province due to logging. There are a number of guides on the Stamp whose very livelihood depends on their ability to take guest on a one of a kind trip. As I have mentioned before, the jets can be regulated with regards to their numbers. I dare you to tell me that that system is not the healthiest in the province, and needs some idiot beareaucrat to decide otherwise, at the expense of those who make their living on that river. Stop with the holier than thou jealousy of those who choose to pay for the privilege of an awesome day, on an awesome river.

 

[Guest]

I absolutely agree with Matt(IronNoggin) there is no reason to permit jet boats on the Stamp. Should jet boats be allowed to operate then anyone should be permiited to utilize one. The present regulations could easily be overturned in a court of law by a group of individuals or one with the money to go through the various steps in a court of law. Equal protection (access) under the law. No group or individual should have additonal rights over others.
Drift boats are quiet, smooth and with ethical concerns for bank fishermen and others fishing a particular run there should be few problems. Jet boats are like ski doos fun if you are in or on one but a disturbing experience for anyone trying to enjoy a little outdoor experience. I don't think the Stamp is a big enough system to allow jet boating. Preserve the outdoor and fishing experience first let em row and hike!

 

[Guest]

My bad. I should have stated that I agree with Ironhead as it was not Iron Noggin who commented on jet boats on the stamp.
Sorry!!

 

[darmin]

this is a long read but very interesting

http://members.shaw.ca/AFGC/fishing study.htm