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did anyone watch todays news hour predicted the largest run of socks in fifteen years :lol: :p
and with HUGE thanks to abby my busted-up calcutta will be in action again soon, and thanks so much for the loaner I haven't used it yet but I must admit I'm itchin to try her out, I OWE YOU HUGE,
 

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largest run of sockeye until the fish hit the nets. sorry if i seem pessimistic, but it's sadly true. once the fish hit the native and commecial nets their screwed.
 

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'Tis True...

I grew up in the Shuswap area and can remember Aboriginals slaying fish by netting entire river widths. Sucks ass if you ask me. I've hiked the Fraser a little so far but have always observed huge set-nets that "catch all". From a purist natural point of view, I don't see the point in taking more than what you would like to eat for yourself and your family for that day. I can't stand commercial or aboriginal fishing ethics.
 

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Don't forget the barrage of hooks and betty's there dodging either.



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at least when the commercial guys' opening ends, they're off the water. the natives rape the river no matter what. they attempt to tell us we need to respect their culture and their way of life. if they think i'm going to respect them after what they do to the rivers, they have another thing coming. on another note, i am impressed with the way the natives are respecting the early stuart sockeye run. the cheam band is the only one fishing now. we all know they're idiots, even the other native bands don't like them. i think if we could get the cheam band off the river permanently or at least fine, charge and/or jail them, our problems would be solved. if the other native bands continue like they are this season, we can all have a good season, our stocks will survive and the natives earn a few brownie points. otherwise.......
 

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Easy boy,,you're skating on very thin ice..You must learn to temper you commentary with softer words,even if you feel frustrated as the rest of us do, about the entire Fraser River Fishery in all its forms .....
 
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I agree with you steelheadstalker, I actually have a family member by marriage that belongs to the cheam but he doesnt have anything to do with the fishing
 

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Ok fellas I can already see where this one is going... :roll: So please choose your words carefully. I know that time of year is upon us once again, but lets try not to let the sockeye politic threads get too out of control, and keep them civil....Thanks guys.

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Having worked for the Dept. of Indian Affairs for a number of years, and in respect of friendships, perhaps the appropriate comment from me is "Don't judge a man (person) unless you walk a mile in their shoes." Many, many people make coments mostly due to lack of information, knowledge, or communication. Let me remind all that there are good and bad apples in every barrel (Spartans, McIntosh, or even Green Delicious) ........ enough said from me.

Maybe all us can make some kind of inpact on fish stocks by adopting a similar approach taken by some (hopefully many) with Halibut fishing. While the smaller "chickens" are the most tasty, people are encouraged to release an 80+ Female due the the number of eggs she carries.

So ......... when your out fishing and hook into your next spring and it's over 20 pounds ...... ask yourself "IS IT A FEMALE?" Identify your fish before you drag it on shore with your net and bonk it on the head. My buddy and I released 2 reds this weekend ...... estimated at 27, 29, and also a 36 pound white ....... all we are pretty sure were females. The smaller ones are the nicest on the BBQ anyways.

Although not a fish I think I can speak from a male perspective ..... A new Buck to fertilize the eggs may always be around the next bend in the river ..... even a jack spring. But ....... once the eggs are removed from the system by killing the Doe ........ the reproductive capability is lost completely.

I hope you all at least consider this before you bonk your next fish and/or complain about another fishery. Some of my own ideas.


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Like I say at the bottom of my profile........."The best looking fish is the one that is released"
 

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Hi Brad,

Although it is not 100% accurate I examine some characteristics based on experience ... usually I'm about 85% ++ right ....

When springs (reds and whites) enter fresh water to spawn they become darker. Springs may have a meat texture from dark red to white (including a marble colour). My experience is that reds (red springs) take on a reddish hue around their fins and belly area and that is not common with whites.

Also, while tailing the fish and supporting it we carefully examine the gill area ..... determining the meat colour may be revealed here. Unless I'm sure it is a red ........ and a BBQ size (because I also smoke my fish) .... I won't keep it. I prefer my smoked fish dry (better with a beer or two) :D ... and that is pretty hard to do with a big slab from a 25++ pounder.

Biggest point I was trying to make is that I release Does to spawn ....... Chinook, Sockeye, or Coho. I think it is disgusting to see Sockeye roe laying in the sand or drying in the sun from a cleaned fresh caught fish. How is that helping the reproductive cycle and our fishery???

AS I said earlier ...... MHO ...

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Its easy to ID males later in the season but not so easy when the fish are chromers. Whats the best way to make the quick ID before you beach the fish? :?:
 
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generally females have a smaller head with a stubby nose, males tend to have an elongated nose, even early season the males look way different.
 

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Thanks Kingpin .... exactly that ...

Bonanza, there is no way to "quickly I.D." the fish at a distance ......... if you are even thinking of releasing it (Does) you may have to tail it and take a closer look. If you aren't correct in your I.D. at first, study the fish closely, the differences are there ...... and at least you can say ........ I honestly tried. Look at it this way .... every Doe that you release is an small investment in the future. You can be proud of that. :wink:

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Good points GF...and KP. Good decisions regarding what to keep and what to release set a good example to others, often provide better fare for the table and I find, make me appreciate my efforts out there when they are rewarded with a beauty fish...

PS Thanx KP, reel works great...
 

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Kingpin makes many good points.
I for one am DEFINITELY not an advocate for Native fishing. His info was helpful on the white vs red. I don't like the white kings. :? No sense giving the fish a "wood shampoo" if you don't like it, or a female full of eggs.
 

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Thanks for the info guys. There is no quick way to be sure about about the gender I guess. I think you bring up an excellent point about releasing the Does. I will do my best to release them! :D
 

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Another way to tell other that what's mentioned is.....think of them as a BIG coho.... usually the red springs has a blueish green colour on the backs, where as white springs has a lighter colour to it...

just my 2cent

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