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Someone posted this ad where I work:

1972 19 FOOT DOUBLE EAGLE BOAT (Lower Mainland): Placing add for my father-in law. 1972 19 foot Double Eagle boat with trailer and 265 HP V8 Volvo Penta Inboard/outboard motor. Gutted and reworked in 1993. Comes with anchor package, downriggers, fridge and sink, VHF radio, trim tabs, swim grid and lots of extras. Engine needs little labour and boat needs some TLC. $500 obo Asking Price: $ 500 obo.

I know very little about boats over 12 feet in length. Say I fixed it up. What would the total annual cost of ownership would be? insurance? maintenance? fuel for a day of fishing? mooring at a marina?

Anyone familar how this kind of boat can perform?

Perhaps it would be worth while to share ownership with say, a dozen members from this forum? share trips? For myself, I doubt I would do more than ten trips per year. I live in North Vancouver.

Update as of September 17th : I've only had one response to the 12 way co-ownership proposal. So my proposal is now dead.

However the boat is still for sale, and its owner has drastically lowered the price.
Anyone who is interested in looking at the boat with a view to purchasing it themselves may contact me by sending me a message offline per the icon in the lower left of this frame, and I'll give you the boat owner's North Van phone number. This offer is limited to the first 3 members that apply.

More information about the boat is posted among the following messages.
 

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Great boat.... think he might be missing a zero or ill come over there right now.
If you have a kicker the fishing side would not be too bad on gas but running a day on (what i think) is a marine 350 would be costly. Looking about 100 bux a month for moorage or 8-12 dollars per launch, if you only go out 2-4 times a month I would trailer it.
Those motors are easy to work on though and any car mechanical experiance would go along way to getting that running good. A good start would be to rip out the points ignition and throw a HEI distributer in it (although not marine) would make on heck of a diff on how it runs and the amount of tune up time required every year
These are definately a west coast desinged, built and tested and would be exactly the same as the same year Hourston that are (not sure about then) built on Annacis Isle
 

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do not install that ignition in a boat. It may work well but it is illegal to do so and is an explosion hazard. All electrical on the engine needs to be ignition protected and non-sparking or else it can cause fire/explosion.
 

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the only diference with marine distributors, are the vents have spark arrestors, they look like little screens on the base.

boat sounds like a deal.
but turnkey is the way to go if you are buying with others.
 

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hence the non-sparking!
 

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I don't believe there is a zero missing from the price, as it was typed in twice. I was going to phone tonite, but I just realize that I left the phone number at work.

Any way if the boat is still for sale, my preference would be to get together with 11 other people ( from North Shore and Vancouver) from this forum and buy it jointly, providing there is no legal messiness involved, and providing insurance is available to cover liability. We would work out a sharing arrangement.

Will confirm tomorrow if the boat is still for sale, and if so arrange to look at it soon.

Meanwhile, I wish some one would post an estimate of the annual cost of ownership as I orginally requested.

Regards to all.
 

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Hard to tell you what your maintenance would be.
Moorage in Vancouver Marinas is roughly $300/mth. Maybe less in NVan - call the Marinas.
Gas for a day can be as little as $30 running on a stroke kicker, to a few hundred if your running around on your main and trolling off it. Running & trolling on my main (2stroke merk 135 on a 22' aluminum) is well over $100/day.
Trailer insurance was around $400 for the year (the trailer only, not the boat).
 

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gigahoo said:
Meanwhile, I wish some one would post an estimate of the annual cost of ownership as I orginally requested.

Regards to all.

my guess would be, $2000-3000 annually
I'm thinking that’s on the low side, there are so many factors to way in.

$500 year for full insurance
$500 year minor boat repairs
$300 year lost or broken gear
$300 + month for moorage (north shore)
$100 a day in gas


If something major needs replacing on the boat, a $1000 bill is normal.
if you need a new motor, the boat is junk.

This idea would work but it needs to be a new boat.
and replaced every 3 years.
 

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I had a 1972 18 1/2 ft double eagle with volvo 280 and 351 Wakashaw Ford v8. Definetly the worst boat I ever owned! Too short and too big of v hull at the back . Don't be fooled by the deep transom at the back . This boat has too much weight for the surface area of the hull and therefore has a very high planing speed and becomes very dangerous in rough water. This boat will virtually stand on end in a following sea and your only way out of the hole is turn to the left and full power climbing out sideways. You'll get a sore arm playing the throttle. Make sure you weigh the boat and compare it with the original weight if you can find the specs somewhere. Hopefully the foam is the new type as most hulls were warerlogged. Ive' got an old 1972 22' lynwood now. No bowing up at any speed on this boat. What a difference







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Someone posted this ad where I work:

1972 19 FOOT DOUBLE EAGLE BOAT (Lower Mainland): Placing add for my father-in law. 1972 19 foot Double Eagle boat with trailer and 265 HP V8 Volvo Penta Inboard/outboard motor. Gutted and reworked in 1993. Comes with anchor package, downriggers, fridge and sink, VHF radio, trim tabs, swim grid and lots of extras. Engine needs little labour and boat needs some TLC. $500 obo Asking Price: $ 500 obo.

I know very little about boats over 12 feet in length. Say I fixed it up. What would the total annual cost of ownership would be? insurance? maintenance? fuel for a day of fishing? mooring at a marina?

Anyone familar how this kind of boat can perform?

Perhaps it would be worth while to share ownership with say, a dozen members from this forum? share trips? For myself, I doubt I would do more than ten trips per year. I live in North Vancouver.
 

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Re: Boat for sale raises interesting possibilities

Update: the boat is still available and I've arranged to see it tomorrow. I will send an update tomorrow. For what its worth, the owner tells me it is in not that bad a shape.

Thanks for the feedback. For discussion purposes it seems that annual costs are something like:

$500 year for full insurance
$500 year minor boat mantenance
$300 year lost or broken gear
3600 year for moorage (north shore)

almost $5000 total,

plus add an allowance of $2000 for major work and the total comes to
$7000. That's roughly $425 to $600 each annually with 12 persons sharing.

plus I expect that in the first year there will be additional costs to bring the boat up to standard.

Regards to all.
 

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I had a 1972 18 1/2 ft double eagle with volvo 280 and 351 Wakashaw Ford v8. Definetly the worst boat I ever owned! Too short and too big of v hull at the back . Don't be fooled by the deep transom at the back . This boat has too much weight for the surface area of the hull and therefore has a very high planing speed and becomes very dangerous in rough water. This boat will virtually stand on end in a following sea and your only way out of the hole is turn to the left and full power climbing out sideways. You'll get a sore arm playing the throttle. Make sure you weigh the boat and compare it with the original weight if you can find the specs somewhere. Hopefully the foam is the new type as most hulls were warerlogged. Ive' got an old 1972 22' lynwood now. No bowing up at any speed on this boat. What a difference
Thanks Cabazon. Of course your comments have me concerned, but I will at least have a look at the boat.

About the foam: the ad said that it was ''Gutted and reworked in 1993.'' So may the foam is of better quality. How can one check the condition of the foam?
 

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Interesting what was said about that 18 1/2 foot boat, would that be the same on an outboard model? I thaught the double eagle was supposed to be one of the long standing guru's of the salt.
 

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Update: I had a look at the boat this evening. It is out of the water. Exterior hull and roof look OK to me. The interior cabin, which is open at the rear (ie no door) smells strongly of mildew. If purchased I would definitely want the cabin and seats reupholstered, and the smell has got to go.

Boat has a VHF radio, dept sounder/fish finder. Includes anchor kit. Fish tank. Risers. Toilet under the bow.

Also a cooler that looks like a fridge (veritical door), and there is a sink on top of it.

Seems room enought for 3 or 4, or 2 for over night.

Does not include a kicker motor any more.

I have no way of judging the electronics and motor. Apparently, on the last trip, the motor failed; turning the key caused the engine to turn but failed to start; so they returned using the kicker motor which was installed at the time. Owner is not interested spending case to locate source of problem, but suggests it is likely not too serious.

It will take some money to refresh the boat.

If interested, note cost estimate above, and contact me and state any experience handling boats of this size, if any. And I'll try to arrange a group viewing of the boat next mid week, North Shore, around 6 pm with a view toward doing a group purchase if there is a consen$u$ to do so. No obligation...even I am not sure about this.

Will return on Monday.
 

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Gigahoo.....one thing to bear in mind is "moorage" vs "storage" in Van/N.Van. It mentions a trailer so you don't necessarily have to keep it in the water if you have a vehicle to launch it with. Not sure about N.Van but you should inquire with Burrard Civic about the costs to keep the boat in their yard. There "may" be a waiting list but we are nearing the so-called "end" of the "boating/fishing season" for a lot of people. ;)

In a marina/yard like Burrard Civic has you only have to tow the boat about 100 yards to launch it which is nice too as it is kept where everyone involved can have ready access to it. If the boat won't be used much in the winter months and keeping costs down is an important issue then there is not much sense in keeping a boat in the water from October until early May. Now having said that......if there are people looking to use the boat for winter fishing you can just ignore my statements. :peace:

http://vancouver.ca/parks/info/marinas/index.htm
 

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Update as of September 17th : I've only had one response to the 12 way co-ownership proposal. So my proposal is now dead.

However the boat is still for sale, and its owner has drastically lowered the price.
Anyone who is interested in looking at the boat with a view to purchasing it themselves may contact me by sending me a message offline per the icon in the lower left of this frame, and I'll give you the boat owner's North Van phone number. This offer is limited to the first 3 members that apply.

More information about the boat is posted among the following messages.
 
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