[fishortho]

Spent most of the day at the Chilli/Ved......From a fishing perspective, I took the 7-8 wt. and hooked a beautiful doe coho just after first light in the lower canal. She was not happpy to be wearing a little "lip jewellery" and after 30 seconds of aerials and ripping up the river, she managed her freedom from the fly..............AArrrrghhh!.......She was fat, chrome, and had a really bad attitude!
Later in the morning I did some recon on the river and with some disdane closed my eyes tightly at the spots I have come to despise.
The count at the Keith Wilson Bridge was 57 anglers at 4:30 pm...........unbelieveable!....100 yards of water that is 20 feet wide and 57 anglers .....yup 57!.....thrashing the water hr. after hr.

Did a lot of recon. mid river and found some great action. Finished the day in the upper canal and hit a BIG, absolutely dime bright spring on a purple spey fly......WAs about to tail her, bonk her and call it a day, when she read my mind and spit the hook and did one final aerial and said goodbye...............Arrrrgh....!!!!!...............so the final tally was fish 2 Ortho 0

THe snagfest at K/W is one pathetic scene, and one to be avoided if possible.

Water is low, but the fish are moving, and there are plenty of fish in the river................Fun day today,,,,rain is coming ....Ortho 8)

 

[Richard Nixon]

Were there any fisheries officers present at KWB (a known snag parlour) to check for regulation infractions, or would that be asking too much.... : :

Glad to hear you got into a couple of spunky fish today.

 

[Fish Finder]

Sounds like a day I could use Ortho. Nice job.... :cheers:

Finder

 

[fishortho]

There was a "fisheries assistant" doing the usual creel count,hrs. fished, etc etc..\never saw a uniform all day except I was passed by the white truck with the "conservation officer" tag on on the back, just below Tamahi going around 50 mph westbound..! Must have been a fire.. :..............Some of those fishers at K/W bridge are blatently snagging as usual, but most employ the red wool on a #1 or 1/0 hook with a 3-4 ft. leader and a drop of 6-8ft. in 5 ft of water....Very professional snaggers......some employ roe, and are absolute masters as to where the fish are travelling and simply keep it in the lane........Argggh.....very sick!

 

[hunterj]

ortho

looks like you had a good day on the river and beats my time at the doctors for my annual physical. fished wed and fisherys officer was on his day off and fished beside me. good guy and knows all about kw etc.
he nailed a guy who caught a doe spring,killed it,took the roe ,and thru the fish back in the water and continued fishing.

jim

 

[fishnfvr]

ortho

looks like you had a good day on the river and beats my time at the doctors for my annual physical. fished wed and fisherys officer was on his day off and fished beside me. good guy and knows all about kw etc.
he nailed a guy who caught a doe spring,killed it,took the roe ,and thru the fish back in the water and continued fishing.

jim

That is disgusting! What is wrong with these people! :wallbash:

 

[HOOK]

WHAT!!! someone actually blatantly did that infront of people :wallbash: I have seen them laying in the bush over the years but never seen anyone slice and toss it like that :naughty: glad he got nailed, very glad.

I like your comment about the "professional snaggers" Ortho :happy: they do seem to have a certain knack for it dont they :hmmm: in my first year fishing (smaller rivers) i actually tried to copy one of these guys and its not as easy at they make it seem. but ITS NOT FISHING!!!!!! plain and simple issed:

 

[DMW]

So some where using roe, a 3 foot leader with a 6 ft drop in 5 feet of clear water with a bunch of spooked fish, keeping their roe in the travelling lane? Wow, those bastards.

First of all, unless you are using a shitload of weight, your line isn't going straight down in the water column. Far from it. So six feet on 5 feet of water is totally understandable. Also, a 3 foot leader is sometimes needed when the water is fairly clear and the fish spooked, which... THEY ARE IN THAT AREA. Besides, in a bit slower water, if the drifter is holding back on the line at all, it should give the roe a more natural look as it floats through the water column.

Aren't we all tryin to get our lines in the travel lane. You do actually want to catch a fish don't you.

As far as the other stuff is concerned, yeah it's disgraceful. Hopefully something will be done about it at some point.

There, now all the cheerleaders can come out to play.

 

[Legacys Live On]

yeah i sure seen it too yesterday
1 specific place lots of rapids, travelling lanes
8 guys on one side, braided line, 2/0 hooks, wool not trimmed, and bouncing bettys, professional snaggers
drop it 3 ft raise it 3 ft as they feel anything, bam fish on real sickening and if they dont they yank soo hard catch you tangle you, and dont even thank you just keep goin at it, crossin everyone and purposly doing this flossing in the mouth or the side, and they enjoy it i think its not ethical and this way isnt proper
short float and decent leader with pencil lead and wool or rose is appropriate you will get bites just know whats the difference compared to a line tingle or touch, your float will go way down and fish on in the mouth.
ive said my 2 cents on this way this season.

 

[Every Day]

I think everyone that was on the Vedder saw it yesterday :wallbash: Where I was there were 6 kids on the rocks at a normal area I fish, 5 of them were using bare hooks and fishing 3 feet deeper than the depth of water. They were ripping the water every 3 feet and at the end of the drift. Surprisingly they were hooking a lot of fish in the mouth (only saw 1 snagged). I almost got to call them in for killing a wild coho, but after 2 mins of holding it OUTSIDE of the water they decided to take my advice and let it go :

Makes me sick to see this type of crap. Me and my friend left after about 20 mins of watching the snagfest (I was really keen on watching them do something illegal). In the run just above where I saw this happening there were 6 guys doing the same thing. The only difference in the run above was they were bringing fish in by that tails : I talked to an older guy I meet there every day and he said they killed a foul hooked fish but he didn't have a cell, and I didnt see it happen so I had to let it go :wallbash:

O by the way HOOK, last year I saw this happen twice : a guy caught 2 female chums, cut them open (WHILE STILL ALIVE ) and let them go back into the river with not guts issed: At the time I didnt have a cell phone so those guys got off easy too :wallbash: Stuff like this goes on all the time, so call them in if you see them, DFO can't be everywhere at once. Like someone said already, the calls help them target problem areas, so even if you don't see them right away, count on them being there undercover later in the year :cheers:

 

[Richard Nixon]

So some where using roe, a 3 foot leader with a 6 ft drop in 5 feet of clear water with a bunch of spooked fish, keeping their roe in the travelling lane? Wow, those bastards.

First of all, unless you are using a shitload of weight, your line isn't going straight down in the water column. Far from it. So six feet on 5 feet of water is totally understandable. Also, a 3 foot leader is sometimes needed when the water is fairly clear and the fish spooked, which... THEY ARE IN THAT AREA. Besides, in a bit slower water, if the drifter is holding back on the line at all, it should give the roe a more natural look as it floats through the water column.

Aren't we all tryin to get our lines in the travel lane. You do actually want to catch a fish don't you.

As far as the other stuff is concerned, yeah it's disgraceful. Hopefully something will be done about it at some point.

There, now all the cheerleaders can come out to play.

Is that how you're catching the fish you've been posting as of late? Gawd I hope not. A 3' leader?? Pffffftt. How ridiculous is that, try shortening it by 2', you'll keep the flossing to a minimum

 

[DMW]

Actually no, the conditions did not call for it in the area's I fish. If there is no pressure, there are more active, willing to hit fish. There is a time and place for everything. So you are telling me that in really clear water that you would not stray from a 12" leader. I call bullshit. Just because you see a leader longer than 12" doesn't mean that that person is a no good Flosser. Take that garbage someplace else and learn how to fish the conditions you are givin.

I am not saying that there isn't a Flosser problem, but don't lump everyone into a group because they do not conform to your idea's of proper fishing technique. There is more than one way to get a fish to hit.

12" leader. I honestly bet you that 95% of you guys have never actually used a leader that short. At least that is what I have seen when walking up through the fishing holes. Lickmen, Bergman, Tamahi and cement slab I have seen countless people from here "Fishing" with there supposed short leaders. Then come on here and say OMG what a shame, we have to put an end to this type of thing. It's disgracefull. Bunch of hypocrits. You guys know who you are.
This is why I left the forum for almost a year in the first place.

 

[testo84]

Actually no, the conditions did not call for it in the area's I fish. If there is no pressure, there are more active, willing to hit fish. There is a time and place for everything. So you are telling me that in really clear water that you would not stray from a 12" leader. I call bullshit. Just because you see a leader longer than 12" doesn't mean that that person is a no good Flosser. Take that garbage someplace else and learn how to fish the conditions you are givin.

I am not saying that there isn't a Flosser problem, but don't lump everyone into a group because they do not conform to your idea's of proper fishing technique. There is more than one way to get a fish to hit.

12" leader. I honestly bet you that 95% of you guys have never actually used a leader that short. At least that is what I have seen when walking up through the fishing holes. Lickmen, Bergman, Tamahi and cement slab I have seen countless people from here "Fishing" with there supposed short leaders. Then come on here and say OMG what a shame, we have to put an end to this type of thing. It's disgracefull. Bunch of hypocrits. You guys know who you are.
This is why I left the forum for almost a year in the first place.

right on....... some people do not understand the real meaning of short float

 

[PumpingIron]

I also agree with you Dave. I rarely see people using a one foot leader.

 

[minnie-me]

Is that how you're catching the fish you've been posting as of late? Gawd I hope not. A 3' leader?? Pffffftt. How ridiculous is that, try shortening it by 2', you'll keep the flossing to a minimum

Pretty inflamitory comment.

I have to agree with Dave's post, pretty well spoken.

 

[Dfisher]

DMW raises some good points. For instance, I fished the canal this week on a stretch in which some big fish were holding namely chum. I was using a 9 weight fly rod with a rio versi tip fly line. Because of the depth of the hole which I estimated to be about six feet, I chose to use the 15 foot type 3 sink tip with a 3 foot leader. The fly of choice was a purple egg sucking leech. The fish were holding there but you had to get the drift right to get them to bite. Two of the biggest chum were well over 15 pounds with one inching towards the 18 pound mark. Darn can those fish fight.....and it gets tiring too. Anyhow, all the fish had the hook squarely in the mouth...as the fish in all cases attacked the fly. Using some of the flossing arguements here I should use a 1 foot leader, come on folks, depending upon the water conditions, and the method of fishing will dictate what type of setup you will use. Some of the posts you see on here by other members I chalk up to petty jealousy or ignorance.

 

[Flyfishin Magician]

Thanks for the report ortho...and on the fly - good job my friend. I remember losing some very nice coho on the fly in the canal area - and some big chrome bullet springs too - so I feel your pain... . I think a day trip with FF is in order...

 

[Rib]

Keep the discussion civil guys...lots to be learned...if it gets out of hand it's shut down.

 

[Crazy Drifter]

I don't think Ortho's post was in direct regards to leader length, He was pointing out the fact that the epidemic has evolved. No so distinguished by 10 ft leaders and bouncing Betty's. If one would watch a meat hole for a while I don't think there would be one of us who takes river etiquette and proper ethics seriously would come away from the river a little pissed off. I did have the opportunity last week to sit a view for a while. here I thought we had turned the corner on the snag fest. For the last three weeks I had been focussing on a stretch on the lower. During the first two weeks I didn't see much in the way of snaggin going on, I did stay away from the KW. On the second sat the throngs of "city"ites started showing.
But the week days were beautifully quiet, and I even fished with the same couple guys for a couple days in a row. No flossing ,no snaggin just the dunkin of floats.
Then last Wed, I stopped on the kw for a little looksy. It actually wasn't as bad that day as described. the two under the bridge were floating with 4 ft' leaders and about six to the float, and doing the long sweep and set method. One guy Caught himself a nice clean spring doe on the side of the face. bonks it and just keeps going. I called down and asked him if he was going to record it. @%$# off was the response, mind your own business was the response. Am I going to be stupid and square off with a guy carrying a fileting knife, nah. Over on the other side there's two young guy's who are just cast and setting o couple bare hooks, another guy walking by commented on there tactics and the response was we only get out like twice a season ,so we want to make it worth it. It's too bad but that seems to be the common attitude out there.
DMW did make a valid point on leader lengths compared to conditions, but these guys are using it to a whole different game. Keep it within the printed rules, screw morals and ethics.
Have them run a mile while we burry hooks in their sides and see if they see a different perspective of what they are doing.
That being said it was still nice to find some empty water to work on the lower in the Am and some good guys out there to work it with.
Cheers,
Crazy D