I was up at another lake down from stake, mconnel i think? nailed about 10-12 in about 3 hours, and they fight like tanks, I dont think they fight as hard in walloper, my friend told me they are pretty lame scrapers. Maconolls fish are 12" and fight on the 6wt unbeliveable, I also manage to get a 2-3lbs spawner from shore, but i didnt know that were spawning, so I stoped trying for them.